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Continuation of sitting No 20 of Monday 24 June 2019

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Amendment 100. Mr GONCHARENKO.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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My congratulations on this new day. In the Draft Resolution, Paragraph 10: delete the following sentence: "However in order to ensure the coherence of the organisation's internal legal framework the assembly in its decisions should continue to comply with the statute of the Council of Europe and to take into due consideration relevant decisions taken by the Committee of Ministers therefore to ensure that the Member States right and obligation to be represented and to participate in both statutory bodies of Council of Europe and so on....". I think it's very important.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Well, for the ones that are still with us, this is exactly the same as the previous amendment so I'm exactly, for the same reasons, I'm against it.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment n° 80, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much indeed. This is about two-thirds the way down, where it says "the steps the Council of Europe are to take into consideration the relevant decision", what we're saying is to drop out "decisions taken" and put in "opinions issued" because we feel that is a very different thing to saying, listen this is basically the relationship we have with the Statute of the Council of Europe and the decisions taken by the Council of Ministers. We, therefore, believe this tightens up this entire thing and makes it more readable and also more coherent.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Mrs. De SUTTER, against?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, because, again, we say that we "take into due consideration". So we think about it, we debate it, and we do whatever we want. Whether it is a decision, an opinion, or whatever. So I don't see the added value in changing this.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Amendment n° 81, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you. This is to do with dropping out the last major sentence after the Committee of Ministers. It actually says in it: "It assures Member's rights and obligations, and are represented to participate in both statutory bodies".  I think that taken as read, we know that already. Therefore I can't see why we need this in. It's nice, but it's not actually necessary. By dropping it out, I think it tidies up the whole paragraph, makes it more readable and therefore I think makes it better. Thank you.

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Well yeah, it destroys it, so I can't agree with that.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Amendment n° 155. Mrs. SOTNYK.

Ms Olena SOTNYK

Ukraine, ALDE 

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Thank you.

This is a substantial amendment. The main reason why I proposed it is so that everybody could really realise that this is not the right way to deal with one particular country –I mean with Russia– to change the Rules and procedures.

If you want them to come, let them come under equal conditions. Then we will talk about challenging the credentials and decide what kind of sanctions we are ready to impose, but without any exceptions, without changing the Rules and procedures.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

Opposite opinion, Mrs. De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yeah, again, this destroys this paragraph. So it makes no sense to accept this amendment.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment n° 205, MR. GONCHARENKO.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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In the Draft Resolution, Paragraph 10, we propose to delete the last sentence.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Mrs De SUTTER, against the amendment?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Well, it's exactly the same proposition as the previous Amendment, so no, it makes no sense.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment n° 44. Mr OMTZIGT.

Mr Pieter OMTZIGT

Netherlands, EPP/CD 

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Thank you, Madame President.

It's very important that we decide what rights you cannot take away.

So if your credentials are challenged we propose that your rights to elect the Secretary-General, to elect the High Commissioner, to elect the judges, cannot be taken away.

But we still should keep some way of being able to punish delegations, so we can still do it with the other rights.

So this is a sort of compromise so we keep power in our own hands, so we stay relevant as an organisation, so please support this amendment.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Against the amendment, Mrs. De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, well this is of course an important amendment as I guess we all agree but it has also been the discussion of substantive debate in the Committee.

The Committee felt that we had to go further than what is written here.

So although I have a lot of understanding for the amendment I would want to stick to the text that we proposed in the resolution and not accept the amendment.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

We had an opinion for and an opinion against.

Excuse me, I did not see, but now we have had a justification for and against and we will vote on Amendment number 44.

The ballot is open.

Excuse me, Mrs. OOMEN-RUIJTEN, you have to put the microphone on.

Is that a point of order?

Ms Ria OOMEN-RUIJTEN

Netherlands, EPP/CD 

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...that you didn't see the one who wanted to speak against.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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The vote has begun, Mrs OOMEN-RUIJTEN.

We have one speaker in favour, one against. I can't give the floor to anyone else.

You had to show more and, above all, now you have to vote.

The vote is closed.

The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 204.

I call Mr GONCHARENKO.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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In the Draft Resolution, Paragraph 10, replace the last sentence with the following sentence: "the members' right to vote, to speak and to be represented in the Assembly and its bodies can be suspended or withdrawn in the context of a challenge to or reconsideration of credentials, in exceptional circumstances".

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

Against the amendment, Mrs. De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, well this changes, again, what we proposed in Paragraph 10, so I would not accept this.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 82, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much.

I don't intend, Madam President, for your ruling to read all this out. But to say that we'd like a substantial change to paragraph 10. It's basically ”utilising the Court of Human Rights, the Commission of Human Rights, the Secretary General and the Deputy Secretary General of the Council of Europe and the Secretary General of the Parliamentary Assembly.” Only people who are part of this and doing the job that they're meant to be doing within this session and with this organisation, sorry, can actually have their credentials ratified. So it means they have to be part of this.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you, a contrary opinion on this amendment, Mrs. De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes. Well, two things. First of all, it takes the same wording as the Omtizgt amendment. And secondly, while it is obvious that credentials should be ratified before further rights can be given, so the addition doesn't fit as well. So I'm against the amendment.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Amendment number 96. I don't know who's defending him. Mr. GONCHARENKO?

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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It's amendment number (off-mic: ninety-six) thank you very much. In the Draft Resolution, Paragraph 10 replace the last sentence with the following sentence: “The Rules of Procedure do not impinge on the rights of the assembly members to take part in the elections of judges to the European Court of Human Rights, the Commissioner for Human Rights, the Secretary General and the Deputy Secretary General of the Council of Europe and the Secretary General of the Parliamentary Assembly.“

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

Opposing opinion on this amendment, Mrs De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Well, the same argument again for the amendments we just treated, so I'm against.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 121.

Who is defending it?

Please. Please.

Mr Eerik-Niiles KROSS

Estonia, ALDE 

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Yes, we would like to change the last sentence of Paragraph 10 as follows: "the members rights to vote and to speak in the Assembly shall not be suspended or withdrawn in the context of a challenge to or reconsideration of credentials". That somewhat reduces the rights that cannot be suspended, and I think that is quite enough. Thank you.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

Opposing opinion on this amendment, Mrs De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, so also the right to be represented is included in our text, as it was decided and discussed in the Committee. So I would not want to change this.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 1.

Madam, please.

Ms Marija GOLUBEVA

Latvia, ALDE 

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Yes. Well, as you notice by its number, this amendment was tabled the very first but, at the moment, it's the last chance to separate the right to elect the high officials of the Council of Europe from the rights to vote in the assembly, to head committees, to submit amendments, etc. and we suggest to separate the two.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

Opposite opinion, Mrs. De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, it's - well, similar to all the other amendments that try to propose this, so I will not agree with that.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Was there a Commission position?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, indeed. The Committee was against: 14 votes against, eight in favour.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Amendment 1 is rejected.

Amendment number 41.

MR. OMTZIGT.

Mr Pieter OMTZIGT

Netherlands, EPP/CD 

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Well, if you're in the context of a challenge of or reconsideration of credentials, the Member's rights to speak and to be represented in the Assembly shall not be suspended. That means that we can, if we adopt this amendment, suspend certain rights to vote. I think that's important to do because we should keep some way of punishing those delegations when their rights are being challenged.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you. Anyone against the amendment?

Mrs. De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, of course, it changes what we are proposing here. I just want to add to Mr OMTZIGT that there will be other possibilities to sanction delegations, of course, and I would not want to change the proposition in the resolution.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 76.

Mr OMTZIGT.

Mr Pieter OMTZIGT

Netherlands, EPP/CD 

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Once again, I think it's very important that we do limit the number of sanctions we can give, but we don't make them zero and that's exactly what this amendment is doing. It's the last amendment and we only tabled three, we didn't table 220. But it's very important that we don't pull all the teeth of this assembly out of her own mouth and, then, we'll really regret it in two years time. Thank you very much.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

Opinion against the amendment, Mrs De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, well it's very similar to Amendment 41 that we just rejected, so I propose to do the same.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Take the microphone, please.

Mr Emanuelis ZINGERIS

Lithuania, EPP/CD 

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Madam President,

Today is a new day. Today 25th I think. So please, can Mr SAVITSKY change the date of the agenda,or do we need to have 2/3 majority. Agenda, yes. Approval of agenda. The change of the date.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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The meeting is not over, I have not adjourned it, so we will continue our work until we have finished processing this item, as planned.

We will now proceed to Amendment number 62.

I give the floor to Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much, Madam President.

To basically, at the end of the paragraph to insert the words “with regard to the list of members rights, representation and participation in the activities of the Assembly and the bodies that may be suspended or deprived, in the context of challenge or the reconsideration of credentials, the Assembly considers it would be inappropriate to include the rules themselves as a category of measure in which case it could not have only been exhausted"

I think, this again, dare I said it, it guards our right as much as anybody else's.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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A contrary opinion, Mrs De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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It's a bit contradictory, if I may say so, but since we decided not to go into the details of the sanctions - and this has been always like that - I don't see any place for this addition in this paragraph. It would only confuse things.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 43, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much indeed. Where it says Members' rights to vote, we would suggest that we drop that and insert the following: In the context of the challenge or the reconsideration of credentials, Members cannot be part of a political group and enjoy the rights deriving from such membership.

Again, this is the same principle. We have a job to do here, we do it. Where there are people who haven't... having their credentials challenged, why should they be part? We actually want to make sure that we are the parliamentarians not being a subject to any other form of sanction. Therefore, I think this is an important amendment.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you. Any opposing opinion on this proposal?

Mrs De SUTTER.

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, I believe that the constitution of political groups is quite something different from what we are trying to deal with in this resolution, so I would not be in favour of adding this footnote in this paragraph.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 84, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Nigel EVANS

United Kingdom, EC 

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It's 20 past 12:00 now, and I do not believe that any legislature works this well at this moment in time. Listen, your legislators may work very well at 20 past 12:00 in the morning, but mine doesn't. And we've got proof of that because we used to do this in the 1990s. We don't do it anymore. We've modified our rules. Can I put a proposition, Madam President? That we suspend the session now and that we start again tomorrow morning, at a time of your choosing. Otherwise, we are going to be here till goodness knows when. So, Madam President, could I make that proposition, that we suspend the session?

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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What you're actually asking is that we adjourn the debate, which we're having right now, and continue it in another session. To do this, we must file such a request before the beginning of the meeting, which, moreover, as we have already said, we will finish. This session was on the agenda.

I would simply ask you to speed up the work as much as possible and try to avoid making successive proposals. It is late, but we will finish as we should, since it is our duty.

We now proceed to amendment number 84, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you, Madam President. I must admit I'm rather enjoying it, to say the least. So, therefore, we will continue! Can I just make the point, this is at the end of Paragraph 10: In context of a challenge to reconsideration of credentials, "members cannot adhere to a political group and enjoy the rights derived from such a membership". Again, I hope that's obvious, but it is an important part of what we're trying to do as parliamentarians and I'd ask that for consideration.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you.

I would like to point out that the following amendment –amendment number 92– is exactly the same as amendment number 84, and that we will therefore only have one vote on both.

Against the amendment, against the amendments, Mrs De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, thank you. This amendment and the next one are already part of the footnote of the previous one. So with the same arguments, I would not accept these two amendments.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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We will now proceed to the vote.

The ballot is open.

The vote is closed.

Amendments 84 and 92 are rejected.

Amendment number 98, Mr GONCHARENKO.

I would ask you not to read the text, because you will not be able to do so in thirty seconds.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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In the draft Resolution after paragraph 10, insert the following paragraph: ”Therefore in order to clarify the scope of rights which are exercised by members of national delegations may be suspended or deprived of within the framework of a challenge or reconsideration of credentials. The Assembly decides to supplement Rule 10 of its Rules of procedures adding after Rule 10 the following clarification”. Read the following clarification yourself.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you, Mr GONCHARENKO.

Please! Please!

Any opinion against this amendment?

Mrs De SUTTER.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Please! Please!

I don't think this is the time to shout in this room.

I don't think so, if there have been any offenses, it's probably related to fatigue.

Let's hurry up and finish.

I would like to point out that amendment number 101 is exactly the same as amendment number 98.

Mrs DE SUTTER has asked to speak against these amendments.

Ms Petra De SUTTER

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Yes, well, as you can understand, paragraph 10 is drafted very carefully having all the elements that we felt were needed. The Committee approved of this. So changing that and the content and the purpose of this paragraph completely changes the purpose of the Resolution, so I cannot accept this kind of amendments.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The vote is closed.

Amendments 98 and 101 are rejected.

Amendment number 99, Mr GONCHARENKO.

Mr KANDELAKI, a point of order?

Mr Giorgi KANDELAKI

Georgia, EPP/CD 

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Just one point of order for me. I have an official document of the Assembly published in the morning titled Organisation of debates. An official document which says, at the end of it, end of the sitting, midnight. Madam President can you guide us once again whether it is actually legal to continue the debate after midnight since the organisation of the debates document says that it must end at midnight.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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If you have followed this afternoon's debates closely, you will have heard that during this debate I have told you that, given the pace at which we are dealing with the various amendments, we will certainly have until 1 am.

We are not there yet. I am confident that I can do so and, in any case, this programme for the session does not contain this debate for another day. It is therefore our responsibility to complete it.

I give the floor to Mr GONCHARENKO to defend his amendment.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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So, big productivity. I admire it. I just want to say that I hope we will be as productive when we discuss the topics of Human rights defenders in the Russian Federation and also of releasing political prisoners, of Ukrainian marine sailors, military sailors and so on. I hope everybody will work the same way with the same productivity.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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An opinion contrary to amendment number 99, Mrs De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, the same argument changes the paragraph. We've had this before, so I cannot accept it.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment n° 63, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much indeed Madam President.

Again it's the same thing. It just doesn't add anything. "And finally the Assembly considers the issue supplementing the Rules of procedure...". We know we can afford to delete this because it actually doesn't make any difference at all. Therefore, I would ask Ms Petra De SUTTER to consider removing  this paragraph because I actually don't believe it adds any more to what we're trying to achieve. Thank you very much.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you.

Does anyone wish to speak against the amendment? Mrs DE SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Well, I want to remind my colleagues that this is, again, a compromise that we discussed in the Committee. The other option was going much further, and this was remaining as a consensual conclusion that we might consider in the future. So we don't take any decision. We just say we will examine it. So I would like to still keep it like that.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The vote is open.

The amendment is rejected.

Amendment n° 67, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much Ms Petra De SUTTER. I wonder if I can tempt her with changing the last paragraph, 11. Finally, the Assembly considers the issue of supplementing its Rules of procedure with regard to inducing procedures for challenging credentials. We're not possibly opening the door to political abuse and will therefore not choose this option. I wonder if I can tempt her with that. I think it's an important change and I'd like you to consider that in light of the other amendments that we're going to talk about.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

Does anyone wish to speak against the amendment? I call Mrs. De SUTTER.

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Well, I'm not easily tempted, Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER, definitely not by this amendment. So I would rather stay with the original text.

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The vote is open.

The amendment is rejected.

Amendment n° 65, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much indeed. This is to add, after further consideration, putting: "After close consultation with the Committee of Ministers, the existing sanctions mentioned cannot be altered until the new sanction mechanism has been put in place."

The reason for that is, of course, you could have an ambiguity between the two systems, and I would think this would bring it together so there isn't... nothing falls between the two systems until the new one is in place. I, therefore, again ask Ms Petra De SUTTER to consider this.

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Thank you.

Does anyone wish to speak against the amendment? I call Mrs. De SUTTER.

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes. I'm not sure if this amendment is in the right place. It doesn't make sense to put it there. So it has to go somewhere else. I cannot accept it here.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The ballot is open.

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 64, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

In the draft resolution 'after further consideration' to insert the words 'after close consultation with the Council of Ministers'.

Paragraph 11, if we're not going to drop it out then I think it needs to be tightened.

I think actually using those 5 or 6 words we would actually do this. Therefore I would ask again if we couldn't include that at the end, because I think the Committee of Ministers has an important part and a role to play in this.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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It is not consistent with the view of our relationship with the Committee of Ministers in other discussions we had. So I don't see the added value of putting this in this paragraph.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendments 69 and 156 have the same content.

I give the floor to Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER to justify them.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much.

This is paragraph 12. Again, it just says that if someone decides to change the rules of procedure set out, the present Resolution shall enter into force upon its adoption. I don't think we need this. So we can actually just drop it. It doesn't make any great difference - I don't believe - and, therefore, I would suggest and ask that this entire paragraph is gently removed and we can move on.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you.

Opposite opinion?

Mrs SOTNYK, are you against this amendment?

No, it has already been justified.

I know, but it's the same text and only justifies it once. We did it like that before.

Against the amendment, Mrs De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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It's, of course, crucial that we state that this Resolution shall enter into force upon its adoption for all the reasons that we've been discussing all day.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you.

The ballot is open.

The vote is closed.

Amendments 69 and 156 are rejected.

Mrs SOTNYK, you have the floor for a point of order.

Ms Olena SOTNYK

Ukraine, ALDE 

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First of all, I need to talk before you vote. It is also abusing the rights. But as I understood you feel highly responsible before Russia to push through this Resolution. That's why you are doing this (Interruption) –Yes! Be polite and try to wait– in order to open a new era for this Parliamentary Assembly. I think that my colleagues and me don't want to be part of this era. Ukrainians didn't fight for these European values. I'm sure about this. We don't want to be a part of this... your values or crisis. Thank you.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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I don't see how your statement is a point of order, but we listened to what you had to say.

But yes, you have the floor, please.

Sir Edward LEIGH

United Kingdom, EC 

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We are, I would have hoped, a family-friendly organisation. Our translators have been working very hard all day. What right have we to keep them here when we could be perfectly well doing this job tomorrow.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

As already mentioned, the best way to free the interpreters is to complete our work as soon as possible.

We will continue with amendment number 114, I give the floor to Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much, Madame President.

This is to insert into the paragraph 12: 'The Assembly hopes that the Committee of Ministers will start to work jointly on a new common sanctions system as soon as possible'.

I think this is absolutely crucial because it does mean that we have to be able to have a sanction system that is going to work straight away. We can't do that – it has to be the committee.

I therefore suggest that we look at trying to incorporate this into this paragraph.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you.

Ms De SUTTER against the amendment?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, because we had discussed this earlier at another amendment. I don't think we have to mix these things and put it at the end of the resolution, so I'm against the amendment.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Amendment number 93, Mr GONCHARENKO, I imagine.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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In the draft resolution paragraph 12 delete the words after 'enter into force' and replace with the following words:

'as soon as a new joint sanction mechanism with the Committee of Ministers has been established'.

It's very important because what we have proposed to do now is just to kill any sanction mechanism.

For the moment we don't have a joint sanction mechanism which will be made with the Committee of Ministers.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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A contrary opinion, Ms. De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Same argument as the previous amendment.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 206, Mr GONCHARENKO.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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We proposed after the words 'shall enter into force upon', insert the following words: 'six months after'.

The sense is clear; we propose to postpone this decision for six months.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you.

A contrary opinion, Ms De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, for obvious reasons, this is not what we would propose with this resolution, so I'm against the amendment.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 73, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much.

This is to add at the end of sentence 12. Delete the words 'enter into force' and actually put up the opening of the next ordinary session.

'Put into force' is an interesting adoption of words, but if you put in, you include the opening of the extraordinary session, it's very very obvious what that is. It's not ambiguous. It is very straightforward.

I hope it makes some sense.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you.

Ms De SUTTER against the amendment?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, it is straightforward. But it goes against the whole purpose of the Resolution, so I cannot accept this.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 72, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you.

This is in the same vein where it says “upon its adoption“ –which is the last three words– we would suggest you put in the following words “at the opening of the next part session“.

Now we've already had this slightly earlier, but everything is a part session so it would seem sensible that we would do it on a set time scale, which obviously would have to be the opening of a part session.

I would therefore ask Ms Petra De SUTTER to look at this to see whether or not this would be a better resolution to the final three words in paragraph 12.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Against the amendment, Ms De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, I'm afraid I don't agree. It would not make it better, so I cannot accept it.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment 74, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you. Slightly following on from the other bit, for a different reason, basically dropping out the very end part and putting in "during the next ordinary session new credentials cannot be examined". Now that may sound a bit odd but the reason for it is that where you have new credentials put in in the middle of an ordinary session, it's very difficult, as we know, to make room in the timetable or, if they are challenged, what are we going to do about it? Because it means it has all got to go back to the rules committee to make a decision, so I'd ask them to consider that being put at the final part.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you.

Opinion against the amendment, Ms De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, this doesn't add anything to this paragraph, so I don't agree with the amendment.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 85, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you.

This is slightly more complicated and it's a longer resolution.

Basically it sets out to add. “During the last 70 years the Assembly has been very cautious with considering ratifications of credentials...“ –in respect to the delegations in Greece in 1969 and Turkey in 1981– “...even if the credentials of several delegations were challenged and that appeared in the deprivation of rights.“

Basically I hope this tightens it up, including the Russian Federation and their various ins and outs.

The existing system needs to be used with utmost care. So we are trying to really...

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER, we have taken note.

Does anyone object to this amendment?

Ms De SUTTER.

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Well it's a nice text. It's a good introduction to say that we keep our right to exercise our own sanctions and are waiting for a new system. I don't see any added value in putting this at the end of the resolution.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 86, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much Madame President. I do apologize to the last one, I didn't hear the bell. This is to do with the Russian Federation to try to find a positive way out of some of the issues we have - like the rule of law. Mr Lienkov and Sergei and Yulia Skripal and the Russian officials who allegedly downed the Malaysian airliner. This is to try and find a way that Russia can come back and actually then use its position to bring people that we need to bring to the Hague and elsewhere. I hope this makes sense, and then we can include it in this paragraph.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Thank you.

Against the amendment, Ms De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, it has no place at all in this paragraph, in this resolution, so no.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The amendment is rejected.

Amendment number 94, Mr GONCHARENKO.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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That's my last Amendment, yes. And I just want to remind you when the next act of aggression of the Russian Federation happens, or a terrorist attack such as in Salisbury - these will be part of your responsibility. Those who are ready to sit through the night just to vote to take back the aggressor to this Hemicycle. That will be partly your responsibility. Just remember this.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Against amendment number 94, Ms De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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No added value

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

00:45:29

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Thank you.

An opinion against this amendment, Ms De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, with all the same arguments. I mean this is not strengthening the resolution at all so, no.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The vote is closed.

Amendment 1112 is rejected.

Amendment number 113, Mr LIDDELL-GRAINGER.

Mr Ian LIDDELL-GRAINGER

United Kingdom, EC 

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Thank you very much indeed. Again this is in the same vein but different, because it actually is talking about the strength in the decision process. The assembly can also call upon the 47 Members and States and the Russian Federation in particular to constructively engage in this procedure and abide by the statute, which is basically why we're all here. Therefore I would again ask Ms Petra De SUTTER to look at this as a potential, dare I say it, a dove, to the Russian Federation when they come back, or if they come back in the near future.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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An opinion contrary to this amendment, Ms De SUTTER?

Ms Petra De SUTTER

Belgium, SOC 

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Yes, it's very similar to the previous amendments. I don't see the added value of putting it at the end of our resolution here.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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The ballot is open.

The vote is closed.

Amendment 113 is rejected.

We will proceed to vote on the draft resolution contained in document 14900, as amended.

The ballot is open.

The vote is closed.

The resolution was adopted by 118 votes to 62, with ten abstentions.

Ladies and gentlemen, first of all, I would like to thank you for your active participation, your very large presence at this very late hour. I would also like to thank on your behalf all the people of the Office of the Meeting, the interpreters and the entire team that made it possible for our work to take place until this late hour.

The next public sitting will be held tomorrow morning at 10 am with the agenda of this part-session.

The meeting is adjourned.

I wish you a refreshing night.

The sitting was closed at 00h48

Next sitting at 10am

Opening of the sitting No. 21

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Ladies and gentlemen, I invite you to take your seats, the meeting is open.

The next item is the examination of credentials for members of the Assembly, which has been submitted to the President in accordance with the rules and regulations.

The names of the representatives and substitutes in question are given in document 14913 Addendum. If there are no objections, these credentials may be ratified.

Are there any objections?

There are no objections. The powers are, therefore... Sorry, you have the floor Mrs GOGUADZE.

Ms Nino GOGUADZE

Georgia, EC 

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Madam President. In resolution 2134 of 2016, this Assembly decided that only significant and measurable progress towards implementation of Resolution 1919, 2034 and 2063 can lead to lifting sanctions on the Russian Federation. Since then, we have seen serious violations of the basic principles of the Council of Europe mentioned in Article 3 and the Preamble to the Statute, and persistent failure to honour obligations and commitments and a lack of cooperation with the Assembly's monitoring procedure: the illegal annexation of Crimea, occupation of Georgia's two regions, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and ethnic cleansing has not been reversed. The number of Ukrainian prisoners of war kept in Russian custody has only increased. There is no access to assess the human rights situation in Crimea, Sevastopol, in the occupied Georgia territories in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and the Minsk Agreements have not been implemented. Therefore, I now invite colleagues to stand up and alongisde me challenge the Russian credentials on substantive grounds.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Wait, wait, please.

It's not up to you to invite colleagues, it's up to me to do it.

Please, sit down, and I will tell you when you have the floor.

Mrs GOGUADZE is challenging the credentials of the Russian Delegation on substantial grounds, pursuant to Rule 8.2 of the Rules of Procedure. According to Rule 8, such a challenge must be supported by at least 30 representatives or substitutes present in the room, and belonging to at least five different national delegations. I now invite those who support this challenge to stand up. And please remain standing long enough so that we can count you without error.

Thank you.

I see that the number has been reached. The credentials are therefore referred without debate to the appropriate committee. In this case, the Monitoring Committee, that shall report back to us, and to the Committee on Rules of Procedure and Immunities for Institutional Affairs, for their opinion.

The Committees responsible must report, if possible, within 24 hours, in accordance with our rules of procedure. So you may sit down again, and the chair is now proposing that... Mr. ARIEV. Yes?

Well, as you wish, in whatever order.

Mr Volodymyr ARIEV

Ukraine, EPP/CD 

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I would like to challenge the credentials of the Russian Federation delegation on procedural grounds based on Rule 7 of the Rules of Procedure on the grounds that the composition of the national delegation of the Russian Federation comprises members elected with illegal votes of Ukrainian Crimea, which was incorporated in a national-wide consistency and also comprises individuals which are on the sanctions list of the European Union. This situation is contrary to the Statute of the Council of Europe and I would like colleagues now also to stand up and to support this challenge on procedural grounds.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Wait, we'll do as we did before, if that's okay with you.

Mr ARIEV contests the credentials of the Russian delegation, for formal reasons.

I therefore invite those who support this proposal, knowing that there must be at least 10 members of the Assembly from at least 5 national delegations, to stand up.

Thank you, you can sit down again.

The number of persons required and the number of delegations required has been reached.

The credentials of the Russian delegation are also being challenged, on formal grounds, in accordance with the provisions of the Rules of Procedure, as in the case of challenges on substantial grounds. Credentials contested on formal grounds are referred without debate, this time to the Committee on Rules of Procedure, Immunities and Institutional Affairs, which should report to the Assembly. Again, if possible, within 24 hours.

I remind the Assembly that, under the provisions of Rule 10 of the Rules of Procedure, members whose credentials are contested shall sit provisionally with the same rights as other representatives and substitutes until the Assembly has taken a decision. However, these members shall not participate in any vote related to the verification of credentials concerning them.

Mr Nigel EVANS

United Kingdom, EC 

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I would like to challenge the Russian credentials on substantive grounds. I speak as an openly gay man and I would reference Document 14572 of the (speaking off mic), it's on... the micro is on (speaking off mic)... under the persecution of LGBTI people in the Chechen Republic of the Russian Federation, where it says that protecting all people from torture, degrading treatment, enforced disappearances, arbitrary detention and ultimately extrajudicial killings, irrespective of their origin, colour, age, gender or sexual orientation is one of the founding principles behind the creation of the Council of Europe and Document 14795, which references the Commission  (interruption by Ms Maury Pasquier). 

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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As I said earlier, we are not having a debate.

(Member speaking off-mic)

Yes, but the powers are already being referred for substantive matters. The Monitoring Committee will have the opportunity to discuss all the points that have been raised and even those that have not been raised.

She will report to us, and I propose that you put on Wednesday's agenda as the first item –Wednesday afternoon– the reports of the two committees seized: the Committee on Rules of Procedure and the Monitoring Committee on the formal challenge and on the substantial challenge of credentials.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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In any case, you have the possibility to deal with all these points within the monitoring commission.

There will be no debate here this morning.

Mr. GONCHARENKO, you have the floor.

Examination of credentials

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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Thank you. Madam President, you said Wednesday morning, why? If you want to change the agenda, we need to vote on it and we need a two-thirds majority. I just wanted to remind you of this.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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I did not say Wednesday morning, I said first thing Wednesday afternoon. As the first subject of the afternoon session.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Mr. GONCHARENKO, let me finish, please, and then you can react.

What I wanted to tell you is that it is Wednesday afternoon. Indeed, the Assembly will have to decide on the agenda if it is amended.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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Mr GONCHARENKO, if necessary, I will give you the floor when you ask for it, I have given it to you. And I repeat that it is a proposal made after discussion with the Bureau yesterday morning, to hold the debate on the two reports of the two committees on the challenge of credentials tomorrow in the early afternoon, as the first subject of the afternoon session. That's a proposal I'm making to you. Clearly, it is contested, which is why it is indeed for the Assembly to decide on the amendment of the agenda.

Now, what I have also told you is that we are obliged by the Rules of Procedure to process these two reports as quickly as possible. That is why we must put it on the agenda of this part-session. So, if you do not agree with the proposal I am making to you - to set it on Wednesday afternoon - you must make me another proposal that I will put to the vote.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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Excuse me. Why me? Why should I propose you something? If you want to put it on Wednesday afternoon, please put it on the vote because there is no such thing on the agenda.

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC 

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So, it is up to you. You said Wednesday afternoon, please put it to the vote. 

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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I am making you the Bureau's proposal. I am obliged to do so, because the Rules of Procedure oblige me to do so, and oblige the Bureau to make a proposal for an agenda that includes the debate. The proposal that has been made to you, I ask you for a contrary proposal. If you do not have any, I will take it as adopted.

Ms Mariia IONOVA

Ukraine, EPP/CD 

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Okay. My proposition is Thursday.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thursday? Morning? Afternoon?

Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

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Thursday afternoon.

No. For me, it's nothing...

Thursday morning, great.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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I will therefore put to the vote Mr GONCHARENKO's proposal to hold this debate on Thursday morning and it will require a two-thirds majority.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

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I will therefore put to the vote Mr GONCHARENKO's proposal to hold this debate on Thursday morning and it will require a two-thirds majority.

The vote is open.

Sorry, the vote is not clear and I repeat: those who support Mr GONCHARENKO's proposal to hold this debate on Thursday morning vote yes; those who oppose Mr GONCHARENKO's proposal vote no.

The vote is closed.

The proposal was rejected.

Ms Mariia IONOVA

Ukraine, EPP/CD 

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Madam Chair, you didn't put to the vote your proposition, because I'm sorry we have letters from our sailors, prisoners of war. We would like you, you, please, to put your proposition to the vote, please. We are looking forward to it.

Changes in the membership of committees

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

10:19:48

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The House, Madam, as I have just said, is obliged to put this, this item, on the agenda. I proposed Wednesday afternoon. The majority refused to move it to Thursday morning. So that is absolutely correct and it is what we need to do.

We are moving on to changing the composition of the committees.

Proposals for changes in the composition of committees have been published in document commission 06 2019 06 Addendum 2, and there is no opposition to these changes: they are therefore adopted.

The next item is the Election of a Vice-President of the Assembly in respect of the Russian Federation. I have received Mr Slutskiy 's application in the prescribed form. If no request for a vote is made by at least 20 representatives, Mr Slutskiy will be declared elected. But I notice, apparently, that there is an opposition.

Mr Ariev, you have the floor.

Mr Volodymyr ARIEV

Ukraine, EPP/CD 

10:20:55

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Dear colleagues, Mr Slutskiy is on the European Union sanctions list for his crimes in Crimea. So, I think we should challenge his appointment without voting and due to the Rule 16.4, I call for voting with secret ballots on the candidature of Mr Slutskiy and I would like to stand up also now to support this.

Election of a Vice-President of the Assembly

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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Thank you.

Mr ARIEV therefore requested that a vote be taken on the election of Mr SLUTSKY. Is this request supported by at least 20 members of the Assembly? If so, I would ask you to stand up, if you agree with Mr ARIEV's proposal.

The people who contest the election... then the required number is reached. A vote is therefore required for the election of Mr Leonid SLUTSKY. I propose that it be held under the usual conditions in the rotunda behind the presidency this afternoon, from 3.30 p.m. to 8 p.m. At the end of the session, at 8 p.m. or when we will probably have finished by 8 p.m. this afternoon.

So from the beginning of this afternoon's session to the end of this afternoon's session.

Mr. FOULKES, you have the floor.

Lord George FOULKES

United Kingdom, SOC 

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I'm slightly mystified, how can we elect someone from the Russian Federation as a vice president when their credentials have not yet been approved by the Assembly?

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

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We can do so, Mr FOULKES, because it is specified –as I said earlier– that the members whose credentials are contested pending the report of the committee that has been referred to, have all the rights that are linked to the status of member of the Assembly, and therefore they can also be elected as vice-presidents of the Assembly.

Russia has the place of vice-presidency.

Is it still on this debate, Mr MIGNON?

Mr. KIRAL.

Mr Serhii KIRAL

Ukraine, EC 

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Madam President. Under Rule 6, I would like to ask the Secretary General if the Russian Federation has submitted the written declaration on the respect of values to this Assembly? Just to remind you that non-submission of such a written declaration is an automatic non-ratification of the credentials.

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly 

10:23:49

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I can confirm that we have received the statements of all the members who are in the delegation of the Russian Federation.

Mr Rubinyan, did you have a point of order?

Mr Ruben RUBINYAN

Armenia, NR 

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Thank you, Madam President. I'd just like to announce that yesterday, during the vote, my vote was cast as against the report while my intention was to vote for it. Thank you.