Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:09:25
Dear Colleagues,
The next item of business is the continuation of the debate on the report by Ms Ingjerd SCHOU, on behalf of the Political Affairs Committee, on the consequences of the aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine.
I remind you that we must finish the debate, including the vote, at 8:30 p.m. We will therefore have to interrupt the list of speakers at about 7:45 p.m. in order to hear the reply from the Committee and take the necessary vote.
In the general debate, I now call Mr Antonio GUTIÉRREZ LIMONES of Spain.
You have the floor, Mr GUTIÉRREZ LIMONES.
Spain, SOC
15:10:28
Good afternoon, Mister President.
First of all, I would like to thank you, the Secretary General, and the Secretary General of the Parliamentary Assembly for your leaderships during these difficult days.
Now I am going to speak in Spanish.
Spain, SOC
15:10:46
Dear Colleagues,
Please let me first of all share with your thoughts about the times that we are living through and our commitment to them.
When we began the 21st century, we thought that all the great wars that all of our peoples had suffered in the previous century were things that belong to the past, and that our generation would not see any new wars.
Conflicts went on existing in the world, but they all seemed far from our borders: in Africa, Palestine, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia. They were far from us. So far that we never talked about the millions of Syrian families that are still living in refugee camps, nor of the situation of women in Afghanistan with the Taliban.
Nor yet did we listen enough to our Ukrainian colleagues when Crimea was invaded and when they advised us that Russia would go on with that invasion.
We'd become indifferent to those who are suffering. Indifference etymologically means "no different". Elie Wiesel, who received the Nobel Peace Prize and was a survivor of the Holocaust, said that indifference was a strange and artificial status that was between light and darkness, dawn and dusk, crime and punishment, cruelty and compassion, good and harmful.
Because indifference, ladies and gentlemen, takes us far, it's much easier to see victims from afar. Commitment is something uncomfortable in our lives because it means getting involved in pain and suffering. The despair of other people breaks our daily life and interrupts our dreams.
However, indifference is not a beginning but an end. It's always a friend of our enemy. It always supports aggressors. That's why our Ukrainian brothers and sisters, their families who are fleeing, wounded people, prisoners, hungry children, refugees without homes should never think that we are not giving them some spark of hope, that we're not participating in their horrid flight and in their anguish, because simply, for the time being, we have exiled them from a human memory.
The last thing we can think is that suffering is far from us when it happens to people like us. When we deny other people's humanity, we deny ourselves. Despair, pain, suffering of the Ukrainian people has awakened our consciences. Let us shoulder our commitment and our responsibility to our Ukrainian brothers and sisters and to ourselves.
Many thanks.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:13:31
Thank you very much, Antonio.
Next in the debate I call Mr Zsolt CSENGER-ZALÁN, from Hungary.
You have the floor.
Hungary, EPP/CD
15:13:44
Thank you for the floor Mr President.
Dear colleagues,
Hungary condemns the military aggression of Russia against Ukraine and supports the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine within its internationally recognised borders. In this regard, on 10 March, the Hungarian National Assembly adopted a political declaration as well.
Hungary is gravely concerned about the security situation in our direct neighbourhood. As a neighbouring country of Ukraine, this war is obviously a high security risk for us, and therefore, we strong strongly support the EU and NATO unity on the issue, and our joint responses to the situation.
However, Hungary does not supply lethal military equipment to Ukraine. Our priority is preventing any kind of incidents that may threaten the security of the Hungarian people. Therefore, we cannot support any steps that could make Hungary or the Hungarian people a target.
In the meantime we are operating our border crossing points with full capacity. They have taken measures to be able to to receive refugees who may need shelter and they have opened a humanitarian corridor for citizens of third countries, whom we allowed to enter without visa or any major restriction.
Our facilities in the three counties close to the border are available, and 265 high-capacity transport vehicles are on standby. Nine hospitals have been designated close to the Ukrainian border providing care for over 11 000 people. We are ready to receive all displaced persons, including non-Ukrainians who are legal residents from Ukraine, and provide them with adequate legal protection.
Hungary has launched one of its largest humanitarian relief operations yet, providing Ukrainians, including those who are fleeing the country as well as internally displaced persons, with medical supplies, food, water, hygienic products, child care products, fuel and other essential goods.
Dear colleagues, the senseless bloodshed must be stopped as soon as possible, and negotiation must continue for an immediate ceasefire.
The Hungarian delegation will support this report.
Thank you very much.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:16:44
Thank you Mr Zsolt CSENGER-ZALÁN.
Now I call in the debate Ms Iwona ARENT from Poland.
Iwona, you have to floor.
Poland, EC/DA
15:16:54
Thank you,
Mr President,
Dear colleagues,
Russian foreign policy has been inscribed with aggression and imperial ambitions for years, and dictator Putin does not take into account either his own nation or the right to self-determination by other nations.
He ruthlessly violates the principles of the rule of law, human rights and international law.
Dictator Putin, you can conjure up reality and you can engage in blunt propaganda. Dictator Putin, you can persuade Russian citizens and the whole world that this is not the aggression of Russian troops against an independent, democratic state that is Ukraine, but only a special operation.
I want to lead you out of your mistake. We will talk about your crimes, the murder of civilians, the military, the frantic rush to destroy the country’s infrastructure. We will not forget the death of innocent children, pregnant women, the bombing of maternity hospitals, oncology hospitals, kindergartens, etc.
Madmen and murderers must be isolated because they threaten their surroundings and peace in Europe. The hand of justice will get you, Mr Putin.
Poland, EC/DA
15:18:28
Putin, the hand of justice will get you.
Just fuck off.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:18:36
Thank you, Iwona.
Now in the debate I call Mr Antón GÓMEZ-REINO from Spain.
He is not connected, so we go to the next speaker.
It's Ms Emilie Haya MOATTI from Israel.
Emilie, you have the floor.
Israel
15:19:01
Thank you, Mister President.
Dear friends and colleagues,
I would like to briefly touch upon three aspects of Israel's response to the tragic situation in Ukraine. Israel's official position is clearly against the Russian attack, and supports the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine. Accordingly, Israel voted in favour of the UN General Assembly Resolution.
Prime Minister Naftali Bennett is among the few leaders who have decided to try and create a channel of communication between Ukraine and Russia in an attempt to, first of all, reach a ceasefire and stop human suffering. He will continue this effort as long as there is even the smallest chance of success.
The third dimension, which as an Israeli I'm most proud of, is the human one. Both the Israeli government and civil society have massively mobilised to help Ukraine's citizens in distress. Several planes with hundreds of tons of humanitarian aid were sent to Ukraine with blankets, tents, medicine and more. Aid is also being sent to refugees in neighbouring countries. Just yesterday, the government has approved the establishment of a field hospital in Western Ukraine, including medical staff.
Last but not least, Israeli diplomats based in Ukraine and neighbouring countries have been working day and night at border crossings to facilitate the transfer of women, children, and men to safety.
Many volunteers have flown on their own to help.
I join other speakers in hoping that a peaceful solution will soon be found to end this terrible episode of human suffering.
Thank you very much.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:21:33
Thank you, Emilie.
Now I call in the debate Ms Lesia ZABURANNA from Ukraine.
You have the floor.
Ukraine, ALDE
15:21:43
Dear colleagues,
I was born and brought up in Kyiv. This city always fascinated me with its beautiful views and kind people. I spent my best student years in Kyiv. The city has always fascinated me with crowded streets and lively cafes. I was selected to serve people in Kyiv, too. This city has also fascinated me with free spirit and unspeakable courage.
It changed almost 20 days ago. Early in the morning on 24 February, the war knocked on the door of my country with missiles, Russian bombs falling in all regions in Ukraine.
As I'm speaking to you, Ukraine is still bravely countering numerous attempts of the Russian army to destroy places and people that matter to more than 40 million of our citizens. Beautiful views became residential buildings damaged but missilised. Kind people became refugees forced to leave their homes to survive. Metro stations became shelters, and lively cafes became volunteering points to provide food to those who need it.
At this very moment Russia is trying to seize my home town, Kyiv, cut it off from the supplies and make millions of innocent people suffer from hunger and dehydration. The same has already happened to other Ukrainian cities, such as Mariupol', Kharkiv, Bucha, Irpin.
Disregarding every single principle of international law, the barbarians started military actions in areas of nuclear power plants, they disabled the only power supply line, and blocked out of the Chernobyl power plant, not allowing our workers to fix it. More than that, Russian occupants caused a fire on now mined the territory near Zaporizhzhia power plant.
Europe, please, wake up!
The action of the Russian Federation action pose a threat not only to the future of Ukraine but of Europe, too. Yes, in this war, Ukrainian cities are fighting like heroes, in the war of values Ukrainian soldiers perform unbelievable work to protect our land, while Ukrainian citizens secure as efforts.
Dear colleagues, your support and your words of solidarity are crucial for us. We know that you stand in this war with us, but, please, I urge you to come immediately and ask your government as soon as possible and plead to them to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
Civilians are dying in the centre of Europe right now. Only united we have to change the wind.
Thank you.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:25:17
Thank you, Ms Lesia ZABURANNA.
Now I call to the debate Ms Sena Nur ÇELİK from Turkey.
Ms Sena Nur ÇELİK, you have the floor.
Turkey, NR
15:25:29
Dear President,
Dear colleagues,
I would like to start by expressing my solidarity with the Ukrainian people and my support for Ukraine's territorial integrity.
I condemn Russia’s military aggression against Ukraine which gravely violates the fundamental principles of international law and jeopardises the security and stability of our region and the world.
Since the attacks continue, and the lost of civilian lives are increasing, the priority should be to facilitate a ceasefire and establish humanitarian corridors. There is also the issue of increasing need for urgent humanitarian assistance because of the displacement of civilian population throughout the country and to neighbouring countries, and severe destruction and damage to civilian infrastructure and residential housing.
The UN estimates that 12 million people inside Ukraine will need relief and protection, while more than 4 million Ukrainian refugees may need protection in neighbouring countries in the coming months.
Russia’s military aggression is not just an issue for Ukraine, it is a crisis with devastating consequences and it requires an urgent global response. We must not forget that Ukraine would not be suffering today if the international community would have taken concrete measures to stop Russia's aggression when it was bombing hospitals and schools in Syria, murdering tens of thousand of civilians, when it was unlawfully annexing Crimea.
In this context, I believe it is of great importance that we send a unified and firm response from this Assembly today. The international community must take all necessary measures to stop Russia's aggression and defend the lives and dignity of the Ukrainian people.
I would like to thank the rapporteur and reiterate my support for the report, which I believe will contribute to the realisation of what I have just mentioned.
Finally, I would like to emphasise two issues. Although the European countries have been much more receptive of the Ukrainian refugee influx compared to the Syrian refugee influx, we have seen reports of racist violence and discrimination against African, Asian and Middle Eastern people fleeing Ukraine. All Council of Europe member states must welcome and ensure equal protection of all refugees arriving from Ukraine regardless of race, religion, or origin, provide urgent humanitarian aid to Ukraine, and provide necessary support to frontline countries.
Finally, while reacting to illegal occupation undertaken by a Council of Europe member state, we need to also speak out with respect to the illegal occupation of Palestinian territories and persistent violations of international law by Israel. Turning a blind eye to the collective punishment and suffering of Palestinian people demonstrates the hypocrisy of the international community in upholding human rights, which hopefully will change in the future.
Thank you very much.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:28:27
Thank you Ms Sena Nur ÇELİK.
Next on the list is Mr Sergio GUTIÉRREZ PRIETO, but he is not connected as I'm informed, so we proceed.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:28:39
The next speaker is Mr Alain MILON from France.
Mr MILON, you have the floor.
France, EPP/CD
15:29:34
Mister Chairman,
Dear Colleagues,
First of all, I would like to express my solidarity with Ukraine and to pay special tribute to our colleagues. They sounded the alarm during the previous part-session. Unfortunately, we were unable to perceive the urgency of their words.
I call on Russia to cease its military actions and withdraw its forces from the entire territory of Ukraine immediately and unconditionally and to fully respect the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine within its internationally recognised borders.
The raison d'être of the Council of Europe is the defense of democracy, the rule of law, and human rights. For several years now, unfortunately, despite the hands we have held out to it, the Russian Federation led by Vladimir Putin has been moving away from these values, from our values.
I am thinking of the annexation of Crimea, the occupation of certain territories, the Navalny affair, the dissolution of the NGO Memorial, the growing challenge to important judgments of the European Court of Human Rights.
The invasion of Ukraine, the full-scale war launched on 24 February, marks a major break. As the Russian Foreign Ministry has said the course of events has become irreversible, but it is by the sole will of the Russian Federation. It is the Russian Federation that started this war in a premeditated way, pretending to want to negotiate. It is the Russian Federation which today violates elementary human rights by attacking civilians, by cynically using the humanitarian corridors, by bombing the pediatric hospital of Mariupol. It is his troops who today do not hesitate to arrest Ukrainian mayors, thus attacking the foundations of Ukrainian democratic society.
As Mr Della Vedova pointed out yesterday, we must react with calm and firmness. This calm and firmness must lead us to demand the withdrawal of the Russian Federation from the Council of Europe. It is the credibility of our Organisation that is at stake, even if I am aware of the consequences that this withdrawal will have for the Russian people, whom I have not forgotten.
This calm and firmness must also lead us to use all the elements at the Organisation's disposal to support the violations of fundamental rights that we are seeing today in Ukraine.
Finally, this calm and firmness must lead us to draw long-term consequences on the functioning of the Council of Europe, to enable it to be fully capable of promoting democratic security in Europe.
Thank you, Mister President.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:32:10
Thank you, Alain.
Now in the debate I call Mr Marcin GWÓŹDŹ from Poland.
Marcin, you have the floor.
Poland, EC/DA
15:32:20
Mister President,
Dear colleagues,
The armed aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine caused a tragedy for the Ukrainian nation. Every day, innocent victims die during the attacks. Putin and his soldiers destroy villages and cities, leaving the scorched earth behind. Russia does not reckon with sanctions by continuing the work of destruction.
The reaction of the other countries must be strong and decisive. Ukraine should know that it is not alone, we stand shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine, and we strongly believe that Ukraine will win. Let us show what real solidarity is all about. Solidarity is not about selling weapons and technology to an aggressor who murders women and children. Countries that sell weapons despite the restrictions imposed are co-responsible for bloodshed and human tragedies.
There is a war going on, and in addition to gas, the blood of killed women and children flows through gas pipelines. Strong and effective sanctions must stop Putin and help Ukraine, because Ukraine is fighting not only for its country but for the whole of Europe.
Europe, wake up!
Thank you.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:34:11
Thank you, Mr Marcin GWÓŹDŹ.
Now I call to the debate Mr Josip JURATOVIC, from Germany.
You have the floor.
Germany, SOC
15:34:27
Dear Mr President, ladies and gentlemen,
As a German MP with Croatian roots, I am currently experiencing déjà vu of the Balkan wars.
Putin is waging a war against his brother nation, and what is actually going on with this man? The whole world is wondering.
Surely, after the disastrous Yeltsin era, he got Russia out of anarchy and gave Russia back its dignity. True, it was done by incorrect means, but that was still bearable. His method was directed against democracy - first in his own country and now against his neighbouring country. It is a breach of international law and a crime at the same time. Not only against Ukrainians but also against his own people.
We, democrats of Europe, have emerged stronger and more determined than ever to defend democracy. Mr Putin is now in a downward spiral and the only way out of this situation is to end the war immediately. Since Mr Putin obviously can't do anything with democracy, he could at least behave like a Russian patriot by ending the war immediately so that we can put an end - in peace - to the suffering in the lives of the Ukranians, and also in the suffering of his own people.
Because it is also his people - it is his people who are suffering at the moment and it is also his people who will have to put everything right again afterwards, in a peaceful way. Above all, these funds that we are now forced to put into armaments would be good to invest in the future - in the goals that lie ahead of us in the future. First of all, in the area of climate protection and all these things that we have to solve together - and without war, but in peace and in agreement, in dialogue and in compromise.
So I ask Mr Putin to clear this path for us - first and foremost as a patriot of the Russian people.
Thank you.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:37:19
Thank you Mr Josip JURATOVIC.
As Ms JUHÁSZ Hajnalka is not connected, as I'm informed, I now call to the debate Ms Krista BAUMANE, from Latvia.
Ms Krista BAUMANE, you have the floor.
Latvia, ALDE
15:37:35
Dear President, Dear Colleagues,
At the end of January, in this chamber, we ratified the credentials of the Russian delegation. One month later, Russia started the war with Ukraine. I can't help but say: we told you so.
We have been warning you about Russia's aggression for years. Thank you for finally listening to us. The Baltic countries and others who know very well from personal experience what it means to be occupied in our lifetime.
We are gathered here today to decide whether or not Russia belongs in this organisation. I'm happy to notice that differently from the mood in the January session, there seems to be an overwhelming support to the motion that Russia should be expelled in the fastest and most direct manner. Thank you for that.
I'm sorry it had to come to this and cost so many lives and suffering.
Dear colleagues, as you know from first-hand accounts, Ukrainians are killed as we speak. All Ukrainian colleagues are checking their telephones all the time to see if their loved ones are still alive. Ukrainian people are fighting to protect not only their own country, but freedom and democracy in Europe.
We therefore must, in addition to expelling Russia from the Council of Europe, pledge Ukraine all the necessary assistance it needs—humanitarian, medical, military, and other—in this international organisation, in others, and bilaterally. The no-fly zone own over humanitarian corridors and nuclear facilities may not be within the mandate of the Council of Europe, but it is the first thing Ukrainians are asking for at every opportunity. We, as politicians, should listen.
Ukrainians are not afraid to die in defence of their and Europe's freedom. We should not be afraid to express our support in clear and strong terms and act on it. We owe it to Ukraine and Europe, and the credibility of this organisation.
Thank you.
Slava Ukraini!
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:40:06
Thank you, Ms Krista BAUMANE.
Now I call to the debate Mr Kimmo KILJUNEN from Finland.
Mr Kimmo KILJUNEN, the floor is yours.
Finland, SOC
15:40:16
Mister President, 24 February 2020 changed the world.
After the Cold-War-created security structure in Europe was in ruin, the security structure was based on a few basic principles. One of those is obviously sovereignty of all the states, territorial integrity, and obviously everyone's right to choose their own way of organising their security.
Of course also the key basic principal point was common security. Common security means that you don't build up your security at the cost of others. If one of us is unsecured, we all are unsecured.
What is clear is that the Russian aggression now against Ukraine broke the whole system. Altogether, common security changed to common insecurity. Actually, we all are threatened, because if you can break the rules in one case, you can break the rules in other cases too.
Is Ukrainian Europeanisation and democracy development actually a threat to Russia?
My answer is very clear. It is a threat to Russia, not to Russia itself, not to the Russian people, but to the authoritarian system in Russia, the elites and power structures in Russia. Yes, democracy development is a threat in that way. That's why Ukrainians are not only fighting for their self-existence as a nation state, but also, as a matter of fact, for the Russian people's right to democracy.
What will it happen? My prognosis is very clear. The time of Mr Putin is soon or even sooner away. It's gone. It's absolutely gone. That's my prognosis.
What will exist after that? Only one word: apologies. Apologies for the Ukrainian people, apologies for the world, and apologies also for Russian people.
Thank you.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:42:35
Thank you, Kimmo.
Now I call in the debate Mr Aleksandar NIKOLOSKI from Northern Macedonia.
Aleksandar, the floor is yours.
North Macedonia, EPP/CD
15:42:43
Mister President, thank you very much.
Dear friends,
Since the aggression and annexation of Crimea in 2014, I'm always supporting the Ukrainians in their fight for freedom, self-declaration, and democracy. In the 21st century, when the world talks about new technologies, green agenda, and space development, the least one can imagine is a war. War in Europe is the most horrifying thing that could happen. That is why I strongly support Ukraine, and that is why tonight we should adopt the report for the consequences of the Russian aggression against Ukraine.
These two days we've heard from our Ukrainian colleagues of the suffering they face. Listening to these shocking testimonies, I can only draw a parallel with the fate and the denial of the Macedonian people, centuries-old disputed by their neighbours who are both bigger and more powerful. For centuries, our neighbours disputed Macedonians as a separate nation, culture, and separate Macedonian language. We were victims and persecuted during the Balkan wars, during the Greek Civil War, and finally disputed in the 21st century.
The denial of the Ukrainian language and the thesis that the Ukrainian Nation is a product of the Leninist and the communist is similar to the thesis of denying of the Macedonian nation and language and the thesis that Macedonians are a product of Tito and the communists. The disputing and humiliation of both nations and languages has many symbolisms and similarities, even the same words are used. This was not accidentally noticed even by the great philosopher Francis Fukuyama, the author of The End of History and the Last Man, who says that there are many similarities in the narrative used against Macedonia and Ukraine and the denial of the Macedonians and Ukrainians.
The basic value of democracy is that people decide for themselves, but also for who they are and what they are. It is civilisational prosperity, from which there is no turning back, and which no war or blockade can stop anyhow.
Therefore, I can freely say to the Macedonians that our struggle and destiny is very much similar to the Ukrainian one. That is why we must support them with all our hearts. We are small. We can not do much, though the slightest support means a lot in this whirlwind of war.
The Macedonian people has always been on the right side of history. We'll be on the side of the truth in this crisis, military aggression, and this suffering and misfortune that are happening in Ukraine.
Ukraine will win that route and democracy will win.
Thank you very much.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:45:50
Thank you Mr Aleksandar NIKOLOSKI.
Next on our list of speakers is Lord David BLENCATHRA, from the United Kingdom.
Lord David BLENCATHRA, you have the floor.
United Kingdom, EC/DA
15:45:59
Thank you, Mr President.
This Council should hang its head in shame, but now it has a chance to redeem itself.
We should be ashamed of when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 the whole western world did nothing. This organisation did nothing. That was the first big green light to Putin to do whatever he liked. So Putin then took over the Crimea and two provinces in Eastern Ukraine and we did nothing.
When Russia left Council of Europe, what did we do? We went to them with our begging bowl and invited them back in. I'm proud to say that the whole British delegation was opposed to that.
Why do we take Russia back? Was it for high moral reasons? No. It was to get our hands on dirty Russian money. We were as bad then as those companies trading with Russia today.
But we can now partly redeem ourselves. We have our own solution before us today which is good, but should be strengthened. Russia is waging all-out war on Ukraine using the standard Soviet tactics of massive destruction of civilian infrastructure, mass casualties of civilians, and completely destroying everything so that the survivors are forced to surrender.
Therefore Russia does must not be asked to leave as organisation, it must be expelled as soon as possible. But of course, that does not save the Ukraine. Only the complete destruction of Russia's forces in the Ukraine will work. Russia must be beaten militarily and be seen to be beaten.
We need a resolution which calls on every Western country to immediately step up supplies and deliveries of all available weapons to the Ukrainian defence forces so they can take out Russian planes, artillery and tanks, and destroy their logistical chain. It should be amended to state that all assistance will be given to Ukrainian defence forces to defeat Russia.
We must not be blackmailed by Putin's oblique threat of nuclear war. Do we then run scared and leave Ukraine to be destroyed?
Also, colleagues, we must guard against false ceasefires and peace talks. I'm afraid I don't trust any other country to negotiate a ceasefire with Putin, especially President Macron and his long chats with Putin. If Russia agrees to a ceasefire then it is because they feel that they've got their boots on Ukraine's neck. Russia will only silence its guns when Ukraine is defeated. I want all the guns to fall silent but only when there is not a single Russian weapon system left intact to fire shells and missiles.
Now some on this Council say that our mandate is only human rights, democracy and the rule of law, and not European security. Colleagues, I'm afraid that is absolute nonsense. There is no rule of law, there are no human rights, there is no democracy if we let one country unlawfully destroy another and commit genocide.
We solve the humanitarian and refugee crisis not by getting Ukrainians out of the Ukraine, but by getting Russia out of Ukraine and the Ukrainians back to their homeland. Peace comes from victory. Let us help the Ukraine to victory.
Slava Ukraini!
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:49:07
Thank you very much, David.
Now I call in the debate Mr Pedro BACELAR DE VASCONCELOS from Portugal.
Pedro, you have the floor.
Portugal, SOC
15:49:20
Thank you very much, Mister President.
This is my last intervention as a member of this Parliamentary Assembly. I regret it happens in such tragic circumstances.
Of course we fully support the draft resolution proposed by the Committee on Political Affairs and Democracy. The main urgency is to help the victims reach an effective ceasefire, secure humanitarian corridors and resume a serious engagement of the relevant parties in peace conversations.
The Russian invasion was viewed worldwide through our media with a unparalleled detail and realism. That have placed a strong condemnation of this military aggression and a passionate solidarity with Ukrainian people. To the best of our hopes the solidarity with Ukrainian victims ought to signal a new awareness to the absolute need to condemn any attempts to solve this one or any other conflict by the use of force.
We lost the extraordinary opportunity offered by the peaceful extinction of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact 30 years ago. The world keeps changing now towards a polycentric balance of powers in which the European peoples must be be bold and assert a strategic autonomy to promote values that since the defeat of Fascism and Nazism in 1945 conquered a prestige and sound respect from the entire international community: democracy, human rights, and rule of law.
The obsolescence of the present military pact has become notorious. We have to resist the calls asking for growing investments in the military industry and to start building a new security system. National budgets have to appease the inequalities growing in our democratic societies and to foster general cooperation between the rich and the poor countries. Definitely the strategic autonomy of Europe demands official apology of universal disarmament and the destruction of all the nuclear weapons. We welcome enthusiastically the sanctions against the Russian oligarchs, well aware that they were born under Western complicity, and we need also to promote stricter transparency in global financial transactions, namely when tax havens and forbid the service offered by a deregulated banking system to notorious international criminals.
Systematic violations of public international law have increased astonishingly everywhere for the last 30 years. A new security system is urgently needed for the prevention of war, improved cooperation of sustainable development, and quality of fundamental rights.
Weapons or use of force cannot promote democracy and human dignity.
I'm finishing.
The Council of Europe must assume a more efficient rule with effective instruments to scrutinise democracies, to denounce and prosecute human rights infringements. The world is not black and white – on the contrary, it is vividly coloured by human diversity and too big and rich to accept submission to any imperialistic ambitions.
Thank you very much, Mr President, my only wish is peace.
Netherlands, UEL, President of the Assembly
15:53:08
Thank you very much Mr Pedro BACELAR DE VASCONCELOS.
I allowed you some seconds more as you indicated that this might be your last speech here.
Thank you very much for being with us in the past years.
Now I call to the debate Mr Franz Leonhard ESSL, from Austria.
You have the floor.
Austria, EPP/CD
15:53:26
Dear Mr President,
Ladies and gentlemen,
First of all, a message to our Ukrainian delegation and especially to the Ukrainian people; you have our support.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
It is true – in the Council of Europe we have been discussing the relationship with Russia for eight years now, because at that time Russia already violated international law with the occupation of Crimea. I was and still am of the opinion that the Council of Europe should be that body, that place, where we can start dialogue and where we can resolve conflicts in a peaceful way.
Unfortunately, in the past, Russia has not conducted this dialogue with the necessary seriousness, no; Russia has not ended the aggression, but Russia has intensified the aggression. With armed force, the Russian rulers are now going against the integrity of an independent state, against Ukraine, destroying infrastructure facilities, thus livelihoods, and killing people – both civilians and the soldiers.
Our task is to speak out clearly and unequivocally against this, and we are doing so today with great unity.
It is about solidarity with the Ukrainian people, but it is not only about this solidarity. This aggression is not directed against Ukraine alone, but against our social system, where democracy, the rule of law and human rights are indispensable basic values.
Therefore, we strongly condemn this aggression. We here in the Council of Europe are not doing it with force of arms, but with determination and unity on issues of international law; and Europe is also doing it with the economic sanctions.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
Russia's behavior has united Europe, and not only Europe, but also the UN General Assembly has condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine by an overwhelming majority, 141 votes to 5.
So let us stand up here and today together – against dictatorship and against war. Let us stand up here and today together – for democracy and for freedom. Let us vote for the exclusion of Russia, let us vote for a life in freedom and peace, let us support the long-suffering people in Ukraine and let us also support those people who stand up for democracy in Russia.
Perhaps this is the key to a future in peace.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
15:56:32
Thank you very much indeed.
Now we move to Ms Lesia VASYLENKO.
Ukraine, ALDE
15:56:39
Colleagues,
I usually write very detailed speeches which I read off papers, unless I forget something.
Today I have also written down a couple of prompts. In all honesty, I don't think I'll be needing them because I will be speaking of the last 20 days. I will be testifying of the atrocities that have been happening and are still going on in the middle of Europe after Russia escalated its aggression against Ukraine to an unprecedented scale.
I will be speaking of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
However, these legal terms, these words, they don't do justice and they will never do justice to Tanya, a girl of eight years old who died of dehydration in besieged Mariupol. Her mother was killed by a missile attack and Tanya was left without a drop of water for six days in the basements of Mariupol.
These terms, these legal terms and dry words will never do justice to baby Amir, who lived only 39 days of his life, because babies are not supposed to live in basements which are 13 degrees cold.
These dry words and terms will never do justice to Polina, a ten‑year‑old‑girl who was shot point-blank in the middle of Kyiv, her native city, together with her parents, and leaving her little brother and little sister to survive and wake up in an ER unit only to realise that they are orphans.
Russia is waging a war of extermination of the Ukrainian people, of the 44 million Ukrainians. Putin doesn't want an independent Ukraine. Because of that, he's prepared to do anything.
He already razed to the ground a city of 100 000 people: Volnovakha. That city is no more. That's it. Forget about it. It stopped existing two days ago.
Putin is targeting the most vulnerable of the vulnerable. He hits maternity wards, he hits cancer hospitals, he hits hospices for blind children, this is the information I received just two hours ago. And why? For what?
You know, I addressed this to all the parents who are here. I imagine all of you are parents. Can you imagine what it's like to not be able to say good night to your child, or not know when it will be the next time to kiss him or her, your daughter or your son? It's painful.
I can tell you that, because I'm a mother of three. My youngest baby is 9 months.One of my older children asked me: "Mom, when will we see you again? Why are we here and you're there?" I have nothing to say to them. I don't have the answer. Because you know what? Only Putin has the answer to that.
The uncertainty is killing.
When I was making the choice to separate myself from my three children, I was making that choice for them to live. Because I gave them life to live. I will fight for their lives.
I urge all of you in this Assembly to do what you can yourself, but also to petition your governments to stand with Ukraine. But really stand with Ukraine. For the sake of democracy, for the sake of a 44-million-large nation, but also for the sake of your people, who you represent. Because if Ukraine falls, Europe will fall, and the world will fall. It's not just words to make it big. It's the truth.
We have hazardous facilities in the territory of Ukraine. We are a responsible partner that says to you responsibly that we are unable to protect our skies and our land without the help. This is something that we ask of you.
I'll finalise. I just want to say six words that all of us need to do and concentrate on in order for Europe and the world to be a safe place for all people to live. Six D's.
We need to help Russia and the Russians to demilitarise, decommunise, deputinise, denuclearise, democratise and destalinise. That is it. Those are the six D's we need to concentrate our common efforts on for our children to be able to listen, not to missiles and rockets and bombs and shell fire, but to be able to listen to birds sing, and to be able to grow up in a beautiful future.
Thank you and glory to Ukraine.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:01:29
Thank you, Madam Lesia VASYLENKO.
Now Mr Bjarni JÓNSSON.
Iceland, UEL
16:01:35
Mister President,
Europe stands united and shocked as war rages in Ukraine and innocent lives are lost every day, communities and families ripped apart, children robbed of the future they dream of.
Our thoughts are with the innocent people in Ukraine who are suffering and those who are displaced, seeking shelter. The horrific invasion has already had devastating consequences.
I express my deep sadness over the developments we are watching get worse by the day. Iceland strongly condemns the Russian invasion into Ukraine.
This war of aggression is a clear breach of international law and grim reminder of a past most of us believed would never be repeated.
We must react strongly and do more to respond to the urgent and increasing need for humanitarian aid in Ukraine and neighbouring countries where refugees are seeking shelter.
Further, Europe must indiscriminately welcome refugees and without hesitation, during a fast‑paced and evolving humanitarian crisis.
As we need to take on the unfolding tragedy in Ukraine caused by the horrific invasion of Russian forces, with both strength and wisdom, we not only need to secure peace for Europe for the times to come, but also to keep peace and unity to resolve the deadly threats to the planet due to climate change, to further cement and protect the foundations of human rights this Assembly holds so dear,, and to protect and nurture what makes us human, never losing sight of the importance of unity and peace.
Today marks history for the Council of Europe. We stand united in condemning in the strongest manner this appalling aggression of one state against another, an act which will have dire consequences for the aggressors.
We call on Russian leadership to cease its military action immediately and withdraw its troops from Ukraine to be a nation among nations and deserve to be a member of this Assembly. Until they do so, they have no place in the Council of Europe.
Calm and firm, we must shape our shared path for peaceful future and never cease having hope during the darkest nights.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:04:06
Thank you very much.
Now we move to Mexico and and Mr Éctor Jaime RAMÍREZ BARBA.
Mexico
16:04:21
...principles, common good, dignity of human persons, solidarity and subsidiarity.
We believe in the fight for freedom, democracy, the rule of law and human rights.
On behalf of our National Action Party, and the millions of Mexicans we represent, we have come to say in this Parliamentary Assembly that we strongly condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine. We repudiate the autocratic imposition of force which has crushed reason and laws in the eyes of the whole world, causing suffering, pain and the loss of thousands of lives.
We have projected the Ukrainian flag on our party headquarters in Mexico City as an affirmative gesture of brotherhood and solidarity with the Ukrainian people.
Our national leader, Marko Cortés Mendoza, has created spaces for dialogue with the Ukrainian diplomatic corps in Mexico, expressing his rejection of the unprecedented and undiplomatic offensive against Ukrainian sovereign territory. He expressed the measures that our party is demanding from the Mexican government, from congress and other spaces, until the atrocities committed by Vladimir Putin's government cease.
It is time for decisiveness. Mexico should not play on the concealed vagueness of neutrality under the misunderstood principle of non-intervention. In the UN, our country has achieved an energetic position, voting in the Assembly to condemn Russia on the one hand, and calling, together with France, to analyse the humanitarian situation in Ukraine on the other.
Mexico has also demanded an end to hostilities, the protection of the civilian population, and the application of international humanitarian law. We call on the government, the business sector and civil society, as their legal, ethical and moral duty, to do everything possible to press for a return to peace.
Among other measures, we have asked to suspend all trade and economic activities with Russia, Aeroflot and charter flights coming to our country, all exchange programmes and projects of all kinds. We have asked to send humanitarian aid, and that we receive our Ukrainian brothers, including women, children and the vulnerable population until they can return to their country.
The Russian population is also suffering. We hope that this torment will end soon.
Finally, we want to express to you, the Council of Europe, our admiration and respect for the solidarity, humanitarian and empathic attitude towards this ominous aggressive event.
Long live Ukraine and long live the Council of Europe.
I will tell you that in Mexico we have our own struggle to reverse the dictatorship of populist President López Obrador, who has been undermining democracy, rule of law, human rights, freedom of speech, security and the economy of our great nation.
A fraternal hug to the people of Ukraine. Mexico is with you.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:07:23
Thank you very much.
I now give the floor to Mr Pierre-Alain FRIDEZ.
Switzerland, SOC
16:07:29
Thank you, Mister President.
I arrived in Strasbourg full of emotion a few years ago. Entering the temple of human rights, in this high place where all European countries, except Belarus, had united to build a Europe of peace, of respect for human rights and democracy, with the underlying founding idea: never again this, never again a war that tears our continent apart.
I have long believed in dialogue with Russia and in peaceful co‑existence. Today I can hardly believe the magnitude of the terrible events that have struck our Ukrainian friends. I am devastated.
I took part in the evaluation of the elections in Russia last September, an evaluation by observation because we were only five parliamentarians present and therefore unable to carry out a real observation. Because of the pandemic, the Russians unilaterally reduced the composition of the delegation of our Assembly to 10 instead of 40 and to 50 instead of 500 from the OSCE and the ODIHR, thus preventing a sufficiently large deployment in this immense country to properly assess the electoral process. So the OSCE and ODIHR gave up, and we went with five.
The Russian argument that it was risky to bring 500 observers, in view of the pandemic, is laughable in a country that stretches from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok, especially since, at the same time, a large number of complacent observers, declared friends of Putin's Russia, were present. We were able to observe that the Russian electoral system did not give by far an equal chance to all the candidates and that many people labelled as foreign agents had their rights violated because of a revised electoral law. There was also media bias, a suspicious Internet voting system, a reduction in the means of monitoring the ballot boxes as the voting was extended to 72 hours, and campaign conditions that fell far short of our standards.
During the Bureau of our Assembly in Rome last November, I was able to tell Mr Tolstoi, who boasted that these elections had been exemplary, that his country was practicing a revisited version of democracy. Democratic formalism has the taste or color of democracy, but it is not democracy. Others call it a democrature.
Lies and distortions of the truth continue, a national sport in the Kremlin. Who will believe that it is the Ukrainians who systematically violate human rights in their country and that their valiant President Zelensky wants to use chemical weapons?
The Ukrainian people are paying dearly for their situation outside the NATO zone of influence and close to a military power that keeps the Western world at bay with the threat of nuclear weapons. Russia is a poor military power that will be exhausted by the heroic resistance of the Ukrainian people.
Two other countries are also deprived of the NATO umbrella: Georgia and the Republic of Moldova. As co-rapporteur for the Republic of Moldova, I fear that Putin wants to push his offensive to Transnistria, where a Russian army is stationed, and threaten the Republic of Moldova.
So let us stand in solidarity with Ukraine, the Republic of Moldova and Georgia, and vote for the exclusion of Russia for now.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:10:43
Thank you, Mr Pierre-Alain FRIDEZ.
We now move to Bulgaria and Ms Ekaterina ZAHARIEVA.
I hope I pronounced your name correctly.
Bulgaria, EPP/CD
16:10:52
Thank you Chair, Ekaterina is enough.
Dear colleagues,
I believe we all have seen on the news the consequences of the Russian war on Ukraine. In my country Bulgaria we can see and feel the war because thousands of people already came to seek shelter. These mothers and children running from their homes tell us stories of horror and inhuman atrocities.
I am proud that the Bulgarian people all over the country offered their hospitality and showed that they are dignified descendants of these ordinary Bulgarians who saved our Jewish population during the Second World War.
We also commend the people of Ukraine for their enormous courage in defending their country and our shared values of freedom and democracy. We must not leave them alone. We must act now and provide them all possible assistance. I repeat: all possible assistance. Humanitarian, medical, military one.
Even before the military aggression, Moscow already had a long track record of breaching international law and human rights. Now we also see how Russia commits war crimes – they fire cluster bombs at civilian population. We see their missiles hit civilian homes, schools, hospitals, maternity wards, kindergartens, etc.
Putin’s regime also crushed all people who oppose this bloody aggression in his own country.
Russia’s unprovoked and unjustified war of aggression against Ukraine grossly violates international law. Putin’s war can be stopped only by stepping up pressure on the Kremlin by all possible means: by severe economical and political sanctions.
That's why today we should explicitly demand the Russian Federation be expelled immediately from the Council of Europe, as provided by Article 8.
Slava Ukraini!
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:13:18
Thank you very much.
Now we go online to Mr Harald WEYEL from Germany.
Germany, EC/DA
16:13:27
Yes, thank you very much, Mister Chairman.
My best regards, condolences, and sympathy to the Ukrainian people, to all the people groups who are victims of the fighting, aggression and so on.
Yesterday, when I went from the west end of Germany, from Cologne, to the east end, to Berlin, the first thing I saw when I came out of the main station was a big tent that said "Welcome Ukrainians", also in Cyrillic letters. I don't know now whether this lettering was in Ukrainian or Russian. In addition right there were buses that bring the people arriving here in Berlin Hauptbahnhof to the reception centers.
The willingness to help in Germany is great and in an extraordinarily justified case. We are very much in favor of the accommodation near the border, hopefully succeeding in the shortest possible term. We also support the immediate neighbouring countries. We are also prepared to take in refugees ourselves.
Nevertheless, I would like to make one more point. It cannot happen that in the course of this development the unauthorised, the non-Ukrainian citizens, that is, people who show up here via Belarus and Poland as so-called refugees, that these people take the place away from the actual refugees: women, children, old men, and sick people. Therefore, we also very much support Poland's paying attention at the border so that unauthorised people do not enter.
We would see it the same way even from our government. I know that, for example, the Moroccan ambassador in Ukraine and the actual Moroccan students flew out. The same should be done with all those who are unauthorised. Nevertheless, I would like to ask further for more thoughtfulness for the view toward the future. The EU is not an all-round carefree contract. You don't have everything economically when you are in the EU, and you don't have an additional security package.
The same is true, I'm afraid, for NATO membership. Look, NATO may protect against non-members conditionally. All other things being equal, it may be an insurance policy to some extent, but it is not an insurance policy against members. Here I want to address the conflict of NATO members Turkey and Greece, respectively Cyprus. It is a particular footnote in history that if Cyprus now has the Russian S-300 air defense systems—not the most modern like the 400, but the predecessor—if it cannot put that into operation because otherwise Turkey will threaten to act militarily. Yes, then it is now the laughing stock in the context if these S-300 systems are transferred to Ukraine. I am making it clear or the facts are making themselves clear and noticeable. It is not an all-round insurance policy to be in NATO, not even against its own members. The same is true for the EU.
Thank you very much and all the best.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:16:55
Thank you.
I give the floor to Ms Nerea AHEDO.
Spain, ALDE
16:17:03
I am speaking in Spanish.
I will be very brief because many things have already been said, and this is an issue which seems to me a very important one. It's a demonstration of the unanimous support of the Council for Ukraine.
First of all, we need to show our most energetic condemnation of military aggression against Ukraine by Russia.
Secondly, our total support to support Ukraine on our total solidarity both with those who are within Ukraine today, defending and struggling for their country, as well as those who have been obliged to leave. Solidarity with refugees and we must give them proper integrated attention.
I understand also that we have to start mechanisms of co-responsibility between countries and, moreover, mechanisms of how responsibility that are not simply for this specific crisis. Border countries could not be the only people responsible for managing the crisis. If something happens on our southern boundaries when people flee from other forms of war or persecution, the distribution is not always as fully in solidarity as we might wish it to be.
This war affects Ukraine terribly and directly, but it also affects Russian people living under a repressive regime which does not respect rights and freedoms. I think we all agree, and we all are aware of this: it affects all of us. The sad thing is we didn't see it coming.
This war, in addition to humanitarian consequences which are already more than clear, has economic and geopolitical consequences. This war is, I think, important even for our conception of Europe in the world. It will have to do with the peace culture resolution of conflict via dialogue and negotiation and the defence of rights and freedoms and democracy and of the law.
This war is changing the world order. There will be destabilisation which will absolutely affect all of us. So, I've already said that there will be consequences for everyone and I think what we need to do here is to think things out properly to be ready to consider this attack on Ukraine unacceptable and this attack on our European values.
We are aware also that sanctions will have on effect, but we don't know when. We need to think, while we're waiting for the real effect to hit, what we can do here in this council. We need to make a decision that will also have consequences.
We need to go forward with caution. Everything we do will require prudence. Prudence doesn't mean inaction or a lack of firmness. Humanitarian action needs to be brought on the situation in an energetic way. We need to send a clear message to the Russian government and not to forget Russian citizens and especially...
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:20:29
Thank you very much.
Let us move straight away to Ms María FERNÁNDEZ.
Is Ms María FERNÁNDEZ online?
Spain, SOC
16:20:44
Yes, here I am.
Good afternoon.
Thank you, Mr President.
From Spain, I would first of all like to express the regrets of the Spanish for the loss of life in Ukraine.
We would like to state our most firm condemnation of this unjustified and irrational invasion of Ukraine by Russia, which puts into risk stability and peace in Europe and the world. Spanish people give their full support to the Ukrainian people and express their support for Ukraine's national sovereignty over the entirety of their national territory. We want to express our admiration and respect for the determination with which these people are fighting for their freedom and their independence.
Spain is a country which loves peace and is a country of the Council of Europe, defends democratic values, freedom and respect of fundamental rights as well as the rule of law. For this reason, the Spanish people are deeply moved when they see people fighting for their freedom.
President Putin is not going to affect the unity of the European Union whose basic values are what they are and cannot be subjected to a totalitarian regime such as Russia has.
This attack by Putin is a flagrant violation of international law. It is trampling underfoot the Charter of the United Nations and also trampling over the Council of Europe and the European Union, which have led it to peace and prosperity.
To define the European boundaries by force is what is being attempted here. This is basically strengthening the European Union, strengthening our values and our principles, and our way of understanding the world we are living in.
For these reasons Spain demands Putin that he immediately and unconditionally ceases his aggression against Ukraine, that he withdraws military forces from Ukrainian territory and that he comes back to dialogue and to the respect for international law.
We entirely support the immediate and coordinated response by the European Union, and also with the idea that Russia ends its attacks against the Ukraine. Moreover, we support the protection of the international community for Ukrainian refugees. We admire the generosity and attitude of the neighbouring countries that receive thousands of Ukrainian refugees every day. We need full support from the international community for Ukraine, for it is defending its security and the law, and democratic consolidation.
It is necessary that this unprecedented situation in the Council of Europe be resolved by the immediate and unanimous decision to expel Russia for its failure to support the fundamental values of this institution.
We wish, therefore, to support all actions to end the conflict and the petitions made by the Parliamentary Assembly to this end.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:23:53
Thank you very much.
Now Ms Boriana ÅBERG.
Sweden, EPP/CD
16:24:07
Mr President, dear colleagues,
I'm ashamed, I'm terribly ashamed over what's happening in Ukraine, over what we're allowing Russia to do to Ukraine.
What's currently taking place in Ukraine is incomprehensible. That this genocide of Ukrainians could happen in our civilised society, despite all lessons given to us by history, is incomprehensible.
From where does this utter contempt towards everything our civilisation represents come, towards everything the Council of Europe represents? What kind of people are these who bombard kindergartens and hospitals, who are shooting children and their mothers with intent?
That this malevolence would exist is unfathomable. I sincerely hope that the decent Russian people wake up and rid themselves of their cruel ruling dictator Putin – to rid themselves of the regime that considers its citizens serfs, that sends unprepared young men to kill innocent people on the other side of the border. A cruel war machine that even brings mobile crematoriums so as to not have to return the fallen home. To deprive their mothers of the possibility to see their dead sons one final time. The Russian regime has industrialised the killing. Both of their neighbours and their own.
No, Russia has no place in the Council of Europe. It was a mistake to once grant Russia membership, it was wrong to over and over again grant concessions – after Transnistria, after Georgia, after Crimea. If Putin is not stopped now he will not quit. We will have to ask ourselves who's next. The Baltic countries? Poland? Sweden?
Dear colleagues, we must support Ukraine in every possible way because Ukrainians are fighting for our freedom, too.
Dear Ukrainians, your courage has gained the admiration of the whole world. We are with you. And we will help you to rebuild Ukraine.
Slava Ukraini!
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:27:16
Thank you very much.
Now Mr Norbert KLEINWÄCHTER.
He's online, is he?
Germany, EC/DA
16:27:30
Mr President, thank you for the Presidential Committee especially for making this debate and session today possible and to the rapporteur and staff who have delivered this excellent report.
We should send a strong signal tonight with a unanimous vote to Russia. And distinguished colleagues, our hearts and prayers are with Ukraine and with the people of Ukraine who are mourning their deceased relatives, who are mourning the loss of their home, who are defending the only and one home they have.
This conflict is an atrocious, despicable war of aggression against not only a country but against our common values and against humanity.
What division have we seen in this Council of Europe and in the European Union in debates about our supposed common values that we have, about the supposed lack of rule of law in several countries, about the supposed lack of support for refugees, or the supposed lack of support for people with a different definition of gender.
Today we stand united because Russia attacks our real common values that we all share: democracy, freedom, sovereignty, the right to self-determination, everyone's right to live in peace. These values are put in question by Putin's Russia, and this Council of Europe is no place where these values can be questioned.
Therefore it is sad but it is right for the Russian Federation to leave this organisation, and I hope that you all support this vote tonight. But I also ask you not to use this report to bring in things that we've always been divided about, and to bring in amendments which are not universally shared, amendments, such like helping refugees without discrimination of race.
You know what really shames me? Millions of Ukrainian women and children and elderly are fleeing because they can't stay home, because they have no one to go to, because they can't stay home where they would have loved to stay. We need to take care of them urgently and with priority. And it shames me when I read on the news that in some facilities in Germany there is no room for them because they are still illegal immigrants with no passport in the facilities. I'm ashamed when I read that an 18-year-old Ukrainian woman was raped today in a German facility by a Nigerian and an Iraqi refugee with probably a false Ukrainian passport. Shame on them but also shame on us for allowing this to happen.
Putin's Russia is threatening who we are and what we are. He actually wants to destroy them. It's time to throw out ideology, it's time for us to get back to the roots. It's time to distinguish right from wrong, and it's time to stand in for democracy, for freedom and to stand with Ukraine.
Thank you.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:30:40
Thank you very much.
Now I think we stay online for Ms Luz MARTINEZ SEIJO.
Is she online?
Yes.
Spain, SOC
16:30:52
On a matter as sad and painful as the one we are experiencing, even now verbalising it, it is difficult to assume that in our Europe, a neighbouring country, Russia, is committing such an atrocity as an invasion and what that entails.
As a European, as a member of the Spanish delegation, I want to express my strongest rejection to the violation of international law in Ukraine.
These last weeks we have verified that Putin is afraid of democracy. He wants to do away with a strong Europe, and Ukraine represents the struggle between two models: the democratic one, with rights and freedom, and the authoritarian, that Putin represents.
Putin is an autocrat. He practices censorship. He persecutes the opposition and promotes disinformation campaigns. But there is another Russia that we must not forget. The Russian people who suffer from the regime of the war and deserve our solidarity too. This war condemns Russia to poverty and ostracism.
As a Spaniard, I defend the position of my country, coherent with the rest of the countries of the European Union and the Council of Europe. Spain is contributing with humanitarian and health aid shipments, and is hosting Ukrainian refugees.
Ukrainians need our help now, and will need it whilst this nightmare is over.
We Europeans will all have economic consequences in our countries. The impact on gas, the rising prices, the well-being of families, companies' and business' health, the provision of basic products, immediate services. But there is someone to blame for this: Putin.
This is the sacrifice of Europe. But the sacrifice of the Ukrainians is the lack of freedom and horror.
In short, we are committed to defend human rights, to condemn Russia's aggression. I'm strongly convinced that we must keep unity in the European response, requesting Russia to withdraw from this Council. Putin believed that Ukraine was going to give in, that Europe would split. But he was wrong. We are more united. We must keep together to face the consequences of sanctions and maintain the unity to soften the impact of war in civilians.
To end up, there are two paths ahead: ppeace, legality and solidarity; or war. We know that war is never the solution. Europe learnt well the lesson from its history of pain and suffering.
Thank you very much and good evening to you all.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:33:35
Thank you very much indeed.
Now Mr Sławomir NITRAS.
Poland, EPP/CD
16:33:44
Thank you, Mister President.
As Europe, we aspired to a stabilise the world, to create a global security system. We have laid the foundations of international legal guarantees for every human's security.
Those are our declarations which we have written in countries' documents. We have achieved great things in the matter of conflict resolution. Among others, the Council of Europe has contributed to it.
However, there are the times in history when the simple declarations, appeals, and classic diplomacy, are not enough. We happen to be living through such days today. The worst of evils is happening.
The war is destroying human lives. Russian missiles are ruining the heritage of multiple generations and the cultural achievements of nations. Millions of refugees, women and children, who left their husbands, sons and fathers in the war zone, are now at our borders.
Today our duty is to cut off the fuel of Putin's regime. We need to introduce sanctions that will not only weaken Putin's Russia, but also paralyse the Russian war machine. Paralyse it immediately. Every tanker, every ship, every truck, coming to or from Russia and Belarus, finances Putin's bombs. I'm calling on all the governments of Europe to stop this immediately. Putin will not stop, not by himself.
Here I appeal for aid to the countries of Central and Eastern Europe, for Poland, Hungary, Romania, Moldova and Slovakia. Those countries had to take the responsibility for accepting millions of refugees. I express my respect for the kindness and generosity they showed. It's a great act of new solidarity, the new idea that was born in Central Europe, in my country, in Poland, 40 years ago.
However, these countries are not able to handle such an amount of people by themselves. I appeal first to the states of the European Union and other European countries for solidarity and developing a system of aid for European refugees.
In my final words, I'd like to thank those citizens of Russia and Belarus who in the face of crimes performed by their governments are not afraid to express resistance. Your acts of bravery are defending the honour of your own nations.
Most importantly, I want to address the people of Ukraine, those who are here with us today, and your brothers who are defending their motherland. In those cruel times, Europe stands with us, but with you.
Slava Ukraini, heroiam Slava.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:36:42
Thank you.
The floor is now given to Mr Jean-Pierre GRIN.
Switzerland, ALDE
16:36:56
Thank you very much, Mister President.
Good morning from Switzerland.
There will be a before 24 February 2022 and an after. Who could have imagined, before this fateful February 24, that a war would break out between two sovereign European countries? Vladimir Putin's warlike madness has taken everyone by surprise.
The European countries and the NATO alliance maintained an armament that everyone hoped would be a deterrent. Switzerland, my country, maintains a militia army that some people were contesting, even calling for the abolition of our army. At present, they are still contesting the purchase of equipment and new aircraft.
After 24 February and for the last three weeks, the awakening is brutal. It shows us that, sometimes, human madness has no limits and that we must always, unfortunately, be ready to defend ourselves against a potential invader.
What is happening in Ukraine is a mess and the negotiation, this ordeal, is a crime against the Ukrainian people. Our Parliamentary Assembly must condemn in the strongest terms the aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine. We express our solidarity with the entire Ukrainian people.
The Russian authorities are suppressing freedom of expression and freedom of assembly in Russia with a fierce repression of peaceful demonstrations. We are deeply concerned about the situation of Ukrainians who are forced to flee their country in fear for their lives. Neighboring countries and further afield must show solidarity and generosity by continuing to receive thousands of refugees, mostly women and children.
Switzerland, in order to welcome these people in distress, has set up a special status for these refugees with a Permit S: this permit allows them, upon arrival, to obtain psychological support, to send their children to school and to benefit from a work permit for a certain period of time.
These tragic events confirm the usefulness of the Council of Europe in denouncing all these violations of human rights, firmly demanding that Russia cease hostilities, withdraw from the territory of Ukraine and comply with its obligations under international humanitarian law. Unfortunately, our Assembly has only words, and Putin has the weapons.
For the time being, the Russian Federation no longer has the legitimacy to be part of the Council of Europe, and we must exclude it.
Thank you for your attention.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:39:43
Thank you very much, Mister GRIN.
Now we go to Mr Titus CORLĂŢEAN.
Romania, SOC
16:39:50
Dear Colleagues,
Over the years I have told my students in international law or human rights protection from the University that the most profound and important achievement of humankind after World War II, at least here in Europe, was peace. I never had, until now, the feeling that these students really understand what I was talking about. This year was for the first time when, unfortunately, they finally understood.
A war started through acts of aggression by a European state, the Russian Federation, against another European sovereign state, Ukraine. This represents an objective reality that can be described as a crime of aggression, a violation of the foundation of the functioning of the international society after World War II as established by the UN Charter, and also a long list of war crimes or crimes against humanity.
Humankind, that includes the innocent civil population, most of them women and children, some of them suffering from cancer in Ukrainian hospitals targeted by Russian missiles. That means a tragedy first of all for the Ukrainian Nation including for the ethnic minorities living in Ukraine as it is the case of ethnic Romanians, also. It is a tragedy for the nation that sees its homeland destroyed and its sons and daughters being killed, but it is also a drama for the free world that did not have the capacity to prevent or deter this aggression of Vladimir Putin because of its own weaknesses or economic interest.
Finally, in reality it is a drama also for the Russian nation and its own elites that were at the origin during the time, not only of imperial ambitions or wars of occupation, but also of acts of culture, music, art, literature of universal value. The key phrase for me of the entire draft report is "in the common European home there is no place for an aggressor".
All of us, the Europeans but also our American allies and humankind in general should have understood this from the beginning, from the moment when Russia committed the aggression against the Republic of Moldova occupying Transnistria, from the moment of the aggression committed against Georgia, or when it illegally committed the annexation of Crimea.
Today the Assembly is called upon to adopt a clear political stand and decision. I invite colleagues to take the right decision and to vote in favour of the proposal tabled by the rapporteur.
At the same time for me, as a Romanian, the most significant signal I saw these weeks was the huge wave of solidarity, love, and support showed also by my fellow compatriots for the Ukrainian refugees that came in my country in an impressive number, and mainly what is done by the people from the ethnic Russian minority from Romania, starting with the women who became mothers for the Ukrainian orphans and sisters for the Ukrainian mothers suffering for their losses, while welcoming them with love and compassion in their own houses and shelters.
It is the most powerful message of solidarity but also strong opposition and protest against war and aggression, a message sent in the same Russian mother tongue to Vladimir Putin and his own sister.
We'll do our job. I will vote together with most of the colleagues. I hope all, everybody is in favour of the report and the draft opinion.
Thank you very much.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:43:25
Thank you very much.
Mr Marek BOROWSKI.
Poland, EPP/CD
16:43:28
Thank you, Mister President.
Dear colleagues, Dear Ukrainian Friends,
As soon as Putin became President of Russia, he immediately started to build a system based on fear, corruption, gradual elimination of freedom of speech and free elections, all according to the best model of the Soviet KGB political police of which he was an officer for many years.
The greatest threat to this concept was not the democratic and wealthy European Union, portrayed by Russian propagandists as a rotten and culturally alien "Yevropa", nor the former Soviet, Asian or Belarusian republics, which were also governed by more or less dark dictators. The biggest threat was Ukraine, a large country culturally and linguistically very close, with many family ties to Russia. Of course, it was not a military threat. Democratic, respectful of developing civil liberties and not afraid of Europe, Ukraine could become a good example for all Russians: look, it is possible to live differently, in freedom and without fear!
This is the real reason why Putin has decided, in his sick and dangerous mind, to weaken Ukraine and, preferably, to subdue it as he did with Belarus. The sanctions imposed on Russia will delay its development for a few or several decades. It is possible that in some time they will lead to a change of power in the Kremlin, but they will not persuade Putin to stop the aggression, especially since 75% of Russians, bludgeoned by false propaganda, support Putin and accept the thesis that the West has attacked Russia. They are ready to suffer.
Only the simultaneous action, severe axes of sanctions, and effective resistance of Ukrainians can stop this aggression and bring about changes in the Kremlin. Therefore, I ask you to support all amendments to the report that help this country to increase the protection of its territory and strengthen the Ukrainian army, for example, through the delivery of anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense weapons.
Here in this room, there have always been many parliamentarians who believed that dialogue and co‑operation with Putin's Russia would bring that country into the family of democratic states. Today, they know that this was naivety. But if Ukraine does not lose this war, and this also depends on us, this dream can become reality.
Finally, I would like to pay tribute to the heroic Ukrainians who are fighting not only for the country but for the future of our continent. What a paradox for democracy in Russia. Poles, we know well what heroism means. Slava Ukraini, slava Yevropa!
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:47:17
Thank you very much.
We move straight away to Mr Manuel VESCOVI.
Italy, EC/DA
16:47:24
Thank you Chairman,
First of all, thank you also for this opportunity to convene the Assembly in extraordinary session.
In my mind, in my heart, but I think in each one of us are imprinted the images we see on television. I think of the employee who yesterday on Russian state TV said no to war and today in our media they say that this woman has disappeared.
I think of that mom, that little girl, who we saw in images that died together. I think of Lisa who was shot. When you think about these things, my hope is that it really touches your heart today, it touches everything, because you're upset about the war in Europe that is so close.
So I want to thank all the countries that are helping the refugees.
I am convinced that today all together we will vote this resolution, but I think that today the Council of Europe must vote it unanimously.
This is my hope to give a strong signal that it is okay to discuss, it is okay to discuss in an animated way, but we must never go to war, never.
This is an invasion, a people has been invaded, I think that today the Council of Europe must do so unanimously, to distance itself from this invasion, which is a war.
So help is welcome from our side too, from the country, but I think that today every state has made itself available to help refugees.
I heard earlier from my colleague who left Ukraine to give her children a future and to tell us first-hand what is happening there, even though we learn about it from the newspapers.
We therefore give our full approval to this resolution.
I hope it will be voted unanimously.
Thank you President.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:49:33
Thank you very much.
Now I think we go online to Mr Thomas PRINGLE.
Is he not online?
No.
Then let us go again to Mexico, to Mr Héctor VASCONCELOS.
Mexico
16:50:05
Thank you very much.
It's a great satisfaction to be able to take part in this debate although I'm doing so remotely.
It seems to me that the most serious aspect of this crisis in Ukraine is something that we don't like to mention. It's a little like the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. This is the risk of the use of nuclear weapons in this conflict. It seems to me that this is absolutely intolerable for any civilised nation, as it would involve the destruction of countries and of civilisation as we know it.
In Mexico, I have suggested that we seek an agreement, a covenant, between nuclear nations that would consist in declaring that there should be no situation, no circumstances linked to the present conflict where nuclear weapons can be used.
I think this is something that could at least be suggested. I know it would be difficult to achieve, but I think that any nation that wishes to maintain and develop the culture that it took millennia to establish, any country that has that as a value, I think could agree that eliminating this nuclear threat is the absolute priority.
I very much hope that this possibility will be examined so that we can reach a pact between all nuclear states so that in no circumstances these arms could ever be used. I think that is the most serious aspect here. Of course, there are many others which are also very important in this crisis, like the huge exodus of refugees towards neighbouring countries with Ukraine.
Thank you very much for your attention.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:52:35
Thank you very much.
Now we go to Poland, to Mr Krzysztof ŚMISZEK.
Poland, SOC
16:52:42
Mister President,
We have to say very clearly in this room today that today Russia is a contradiction of everything that the Council of Europe stands for. Its criminal imperialism is paid for with the tragedy, death, and pain of millions of Ukrainians.
Its recurring totalitarianism manifests itself in prison penalties for telling the truth. Its degenerated oligarchy deprives ordinary people of all opportunities for development. There is no longer place for Russia in the community of values based on human rights, because Russia is the greatest threat to human rights today.
Today, as Polish parliamentarians, we feel responsible to speak on behalf of many absent parliamentarians of Ukraine. Many of them could not come here because their relatives are dying right now in their country. Women and children are killed in rocket attacks. Bombs fall on homes, hospitals and kindergardens. Young people who had dreams, who were to be the future of Ukraine and the future of Europe, are fighting on the war front. Their courage and dedication in the fight for freedom, justice and Independence should be a model for us.
We must also be brave today and do everything we can to make Putin's regime feel the consequences of its crimes. It is time to remove Russia immediately from the Council of Europe and to support humanitarian organisations and countries assisting refugees from Ukraine by all means.
The Council of Europe is a place of values. It should be a privilege and honour to have the right to be a member of this community. So far, Russia is a contradiction of everything we are here for in Strasbourg, which is peace, democracy, rule of law, protection of human rights, and also prohibition of discrimination.
I also want to take this opportunity to thank millions of Polish citizens for their open hearts and open homes for almost two million refugees from Ukraine.
This is a moment of truth. This is a time to change words of compassion into concrete actions.
Polish citizens, along with Romanians, Moldovans, Slovaks and Hungarians are passing their exams very well. Now it is time for us, politicians gathered here in Strasbourg.
Please, always remember that there is no symmetry in this war. If the Russians put down their weapons there will be no more war. If the Ukrainians put down their weapons there will be no Ukraine.
As a Pole, as a Polish parliamentarian, I want to underline there is no free Europe without free Ukraine.
Glory to Ukraine, glory to its heroes, slava Ukraini.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:55:49
Thank you very much.
Is Ms Marie-Christine DALLOZ now signed in?
Yes.
Ms Marie-Christine DALLOZ, the floor is yours.
France, EPP/CD
16:55:58
Thank you, Mister President, Madam Rapporteur.
Dear colleagues,
Since the totally unjustified armed aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine on 24 February, Europe has been confronted with an extremely serious situation that brings back the darkest memories and the fear of a conflagration on our continent.
The conflict between two of our member States is dramatic. Civilian victims are counted in the hundreds, migrants in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Cities are destroyed. Besieged populations are beginning to lack everything, and the nuclear threat looms large.
Peace and democracy are essential but fragile values. They seem to be taken for granted when everything is going well, but these days we see how threatened they are. We must defend them.
The Council of Europe was founded in 1949 with the aim of reconciling the peoples of Europe. In order to achieve its goal of promoting human rights, it created the European Convention on Human Rights. Ten years later, in 1959, the European Court of Human Rights was created to enforce this Convention.
As a parliamentary body of the Council of Europe, PACE has a duty to work to preserve these values.
On 25 February, the Committee of Ministers suspended the Russian Federation's rights of representation in the Council of Europe. This decision was taken in consultation with our Assembly. I fully agree with it because it was necessary and right. At the same time, on 1 March, the European Court of Human Rights called on the Russian Federation not to undertake military attacks against civilians and to preserve schools and hospitals.
It is obvious that these reactions are insufficient and that we should already start thinking about the actions that PACE should take to contribute to the resolution of this conflict. Then, when it comes to finding a path to reconciliation, we must be as firm as possible with regard to the integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, because these principles are non-negotiable.
I would like to thank our rapporteur, Ms Ingjerd SCHOU, for her work. I will of course vote for the proposed resolution and recommendation.
Courage and will for Ukraine.
Thank you.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
16:59:14
Thank you, Madam.
You have the floor now, Ms Nicole TRISSE.
France, ALDE
16:59:27
Thank you, Mr President.
Dear Rapporteur, dear colleagues,
The holding of this extraordinary session bears witness to the severity of the situation, and I would like to say at the outset that our hearts go out to our Ukrainian colleagues who are with us today and, through them, to the entire Ukrainian people.
I am the elected representative of a French territory strongly marked by the two world wars of the 20th century. I would never have imagined that I would live through events and see images that would take me back to the darkest hours of our history.
The Russian Federation, by joining the Council of Europe, committed itself to a set of shared goals, a humanistic ideal and progress. Its current President, by deliberately choosing to launch a war of aggression against Ukraine, is flouting the values we hold dear. He has reneged on his word and plunged the whole of Europe into a crisis that the creation of the Council of Europe in 1949 was precisely intended to avoid.
As my colleague said earlier, we were able to react quickly because on 25 February 2022, we suspended the rights of representation of the Russian Federation and then, on 1 March 2022, the European Court of Human Rights itself formally asked them to stop bombing civilians, schools and hospitals. Obviously, this is not enough and it is not enough anymore.
We are now 20 days into the deadly fighting, the bombing, the killing of civilians, the abductions and the torture. Every day brings us its share of atrocities perpetrated by Mr. Putin. And here I make a distinction between the leader and the Russian people who, in the end, are also victims of their President.
This war, wanted by a single person who has this fantasy of a "greater Russia"; the one whose regime had the right of life or death over its inhabitants, is not only completely insane but, moreover, puts in danger all of Europe.
Today, it is Ukraine that is a martyr country but what about tomorrow?
Dear friends, the Russian Federation has clearly crossed the red line. If we believe in our values, we must make this clear. As long as Mr Putin has this attitude, we cannot keep the Russian Federation in our organisation. To accept it would be, for me, a form of passive complicity. This is not my idea of the Council of Europe, we are much better than that.
So yes, we will be told that the Russian people will once again suffer but the argument of the European Convention and Court of Human Rights is counter-productive. If we keep Russia as a member state, we risk letting people believe that their might be mitigating circumstances that would therefore be encouraging social media which is already full of fake news. No, let us stand firm, let's not compromise.
Of course, when Ukraine returns to peace as a sovereign and independent state, and when the Russian Federation will have changed and will sincerely wish to conform to the values of the Council of Europe, we will be able to consider welcoming the Russian people again and to dialogue with its leaders.
This is what we managed to do at the end of the Second World War, between France and Germany, and this is how the Council of Europe was created. But in the immediate future, the question does not even arise. We must vote massively for this resolution.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
17:02:55
Thank you very much.
Mr Lukas SAVICKAS.
Is he here?
Very good.
Lithuania, SOC
17:03:07
Mr President,
Dear colleagues,
I am a child of the 90s and in Lithuania that is quite special. I was born just a month after the restitution of our independence. This meant I did not experience Soviet occupation despite the fact that on the cover of my birth certificate still shines the Soviet symbol of the hammer and sickle.
This also meant, that while my grandparents and parents lived through multiple episodes of war and occupation, I, during my 30 years did not really have to consider the prospect of a war in my life.
However, since 24 February 2022, we have a new reality. In this reality, in which it is not just the children of Ukraine, but also of other European countries, [who] no longer have the luxury to live a life without the prospect of war. A new reality in which Ukrainians, by their thousands, lay their lives defending their right to exist, defending the security of all of us, defending all the values we represent in this Council.
This reality was brought to us by Mr Putin by waging a war of aggression, by ordering an armed attack on Ukraine which qualifies as a crime against peace and the Nuremberg Charter, by attacking civilian targets, taking elected representatives hostage, attacking humanitarian corridors, using artillery, missiles, bombing indiscriminately.
Despite many appeals to seize those hostilities, Russia persists in its aggression, escalating violence, making threats should our states interfere. This part, in my opinion, is a vital part of Putin's goal: to threaten us. To see Western allies quietly stand by his army progressing to the sovereign country, the sovereign territory of Ukraine.
The quote of a prominent French politician comes to my mind: "Fear prevents us, prevents you, from taking any action. It hinders commitment. When you are afraid, there are no dreams left, no plans are made for the future. Fear is the main threat."
Therefore, we must follow suit of our courageous friends in Ukraine, and stand united defending our shared values, calling out Putin for his actions.
In my opinion, the Report in front of us today does exactly that. It clearly states that the Russian Federation can no longer be a member of this organisation.
Thank you.
United Kingdom, EC/DA, President of the Assembly
17:06:15
Thank you very much.
Now Mr Sorin-Titus MUNCACIU.