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22 January 2019 afternoon

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Opening of the sitting No 4

Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

15:34:51

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

15:37:07

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Communication from the Secretary General of the Council of Europe

Mr Thorbjørn JAGLAND

Secretary General of the Council of Europe

15:37:26

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:03:56

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:04:00

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Communication from the Secretary General of the Council of Europe / Questions

Mr Pieter OMTZIGT

Netherlands, EPP/CD, Spokesperson for the group

16:04:22

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Mr Thorbjørn JAGLAND

Secretary General of the Council of Europe

16:05:10

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:08:52

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Mr Frank SCHWABE

Germany, SOC, Spokesperson for the group

16:09:05

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Mr Thorbjørn JAGLAND

Secretary General of the Council of Europe

16:10:01

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:12:59

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Mr Oleksii GONCHARENKO

Ukraine, EC, Spokesperson for the group

16:13:07

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Mr Thorbjørn JAGLAND

Secretary General of the Council of Europe

16:13:33

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:15:26

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Mr Hendrik DAEMS

Belgium, ALDE, Spokesperson for the group

16:15:31

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Mr Thorbjørn JAGLAND

Secretary General of the Council of Europe

16:16:17

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:17:29

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Mr Andrej HUNKO

Germany, UEL, Spokesperson for the group

16:17:34

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Mr Thorbjørn JAGLAND

Secretary General of the Council of Europe

16:18:21

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:21:00

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Ms Dubravka FILIPOVSKI

Serbia, FDG, Spokesperson for the group

16:21:06

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Mr Thorbjørn JAGLAND

Secretary General of the Council of Europe

16:21:26

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:22:38

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Ms Marie-Christine DALLOZ

France, EPP/CD

16:22:50

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:23:15

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:23:17

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Mr Martin WHITFIELD

United Kingdom, SOC

16:23:22

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:23:40

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Mr Rafael HUSEYNOV

Azerbaijan, ALDE

16:23:45

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:24:21

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Mr Thorbjørn JAGLAND

Secretary General of the Council of Europe

16:24:24

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:28:49

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:29:26

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:30:12

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Mr Akif Çağatay KILIÇ

Turkey, EC

16:30:25

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:30:46

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Mr Thorbjørn JAGLAND

Secretary General of the Council of Europe

16:30:49

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:36:34

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:36:51

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Sir Edward LEIGH

United Kingdom, EC

16:37:04

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:37:56

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Debate: Sergei Magnitsky and beyond – fighting impunity by targeted sanctions

Lord Donald ANDERSON

United Kingdom, SOC, Rapporteur

16:39:53

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:48:40

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Ms Olena SOTNYK

Ukraine, ALDE, Spokesperson for the group

16:48:56

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:52:23

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Mr Henk OVERBEEK

Netherlands, UEL, Spokesperson for the group

16:52:32

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

16:56:38

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Mr Giorgi KANDELAKI

Georgia, EPP/CD, Spokesperson for the group

16:56:59

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

17:00:10

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Mr Roberto RAMPI

Italy, SOC, Spokesperson for the group

17:00:21

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

17:03:18

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Mr John HOWELL

United Kingdom, EC, Spokesperson for the group

17:03:52

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

17:06:42

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Lord Donald ANDERSON

United Kingdom, SOC, Rapporteur

17:06:49

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Ms Liliane MAURY PASQUIER

Switzerland, SOC, President of the Assembly

17:06:51

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Mr Pieter OMTZIGT

Netherlands, EPP/CD

17:07:02

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:09:40

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Ms Gabriela HEINRICH

Germany, SOC

17:09:48

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:12:28

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:16:04

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:16:05

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:19:14

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:21:36

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Mr Egidijus VAREIKIS

Lithuania, EPP/CD

17:21:42

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:24:30

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Mr Emanuelis ZINGERIS

Lithuania, EPP/CD

17:24:45

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:28:29

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Mr Andrej HUNKO

Germany, UEL

17:28:48

Merci, Madame la Présidente.

Je peux d’abord dire que je soutiens pleinement la position que notre porte-parole du groupe, Hank Overbeck, a exprimée ici. Et je pense que le problème avec ce rapport est qu’il existe trois procédures différentes qui, à mon avis, devraient être traitées séparément.

L'une est le cas Magnitski lui-même et je ne doute pas qu'il a été tué à tort dans des prisons russes. La seconde est la réaction internationale et la manière dont l'affaire a été réglée à l'échelle internationale, notamment par les États-Unis. Et la troisième est la question suivante: comment traiter l'impunité pour les violations des droits de l'homme qui ont été prouvées?

Dans le troisième cas, comme Hank Overbeck vient de le dire, la position du GUE est très claire: nous soutenons tout en termes de lutte contre l'impunité. Mais ces trois choses ne doivent pas être mélangées. Quand j'ai lu la résolution, j'ai pensé au début: "Eh bien, je vais m'abstenir." Et maintenant, j’ai traité de plus près l’ensemble de l’affaire, y compris le traitement international de cette affaire, et j’en viens à la conclusion que je rejetterai malheureusement cette résolution.

Par exemple, j'ai lu l'interview du cinéaste russe Andrei Nekrasov. Andrei Nekrassow a été mandaté par ZDF, le radiodiffuseur public allemand, et Arte, le radiodiffuseur franco-allemand, pour réaliser un film sur l'affaire Magnitsky. Il y travaille depuis des années, au cours desquelles il a été présenté comme un critique du Kremlin. Il en est venu à croire que la représentation de cette affaire n'a rien à voir avec la réalité lorsqu'il a lu les dossiers originaux de cette affaire. Je n'ai pas lu les dossiers bien sûr. Mais ce qui me choque, c’est que le film qui était alors fini et qui devait être diffusé ne le soit pas du fait d'une pression énorme, car cela remettait en question la version officielle des faits. C'est pourquoi je trouve si difficile de lier la question "Comment pouvons-nous lutter contre l'impunité?" à une affaire qui est évidemment aussi controversée. C’est la raison pour laquelle je pense qu'il est logique de convenir que nous devrions, pour ainsi dire, régler le problème de l’impunité pour les violations des droits de l’homme, quelle que soit la manière dont nous évaluons l’affaire Magnitsky.

Merci de votre attention.

Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:32:05

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:35:49

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Mr Andreas NICK

Germany, EPP/CD

17:35:59

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:39:08

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:42:03

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:44:21

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:44:23

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:48:08

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:51:43

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:54:11

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

17:57:54

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:01:28

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Mr Ulrich OEHME

Germany, NR

18:01:37

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:04:38

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Lord Donald ANDERSON

United Kingdom, SOC, Rapporteur

18:04:55

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:09:45

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Ms Thorhildur Sunna ÆVARSDÓTTIR

Iceland, SOC, Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights

18:09:54

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:11:24

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Ms Thorhildur Sunna ÆVARSDÓTTIR

Iceland, SOC, Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights

18:12:31

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:12:33

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Ms Thorhildur Sunna ÆVARSDÓTTIR

Iceland, SOC, Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights

18:12:37

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:12:43

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Mr Pieter OMTZIGT

Netherlands, EPP/CD

18:13:20

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:13:53

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Lord Donald ANDERSON

United Kingdom, SOC

18:14:04

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:14:09

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Ms Thorhildur Sunna ÆVARSDÓTTIR

Iceland, SOC, Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights

18:14:25

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:14:27

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Vote: Sergei Magnitsky and beyond – fighting impunity by targeted sanctions

Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:14:34

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Ms Thorhildur Sunna ÆVARSDÓTTIR

Iceland, SOC, Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights

18:15:17

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:15:20

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Ms Thorhildur Sunna ÆVARSDÓTTIR

Iceland, SOC, Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights

18:15:23

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:15:26

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Debate: Compatibility of Sharia law with the European Convention on Human Rights: can States Parties to the Convention be signatories to the “Cairo Declaration”?

Ms Thorhildur Sunna ÆVARSDÓTTIR

Iceland, SOC

18:20:18

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:26:20

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Ms Maryvonne BLONDIN

France, SOC, Rapporteur for opinion

18:26:43

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:29:55

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Mr Constantinos EFSTATHIOU

Cyprus, SOC, Rapporteur for opinion

18:30:14

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:33:33

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Mr Manuel TORNARE

Switzerland, SOC, Rapporteur for opinion

18:33:45

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:36:06

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Ms Miren GORROTXATEGI

Spain, UEL, Spokesperson for the group

18:36:29

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:40:22

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Ms Dubravka FILIPOVSKI

Serbia, FDG, Spokesperson for the group

18:40:37

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:42:23

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Mr Pieter OMTZIGT

Netherlands, EPP/CD, Spokesperson for the group

18:42:35

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:45:42

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Baroness Doreen MASSEY

United Kingdom, SOC, Spokesperson for the group

18:45:52

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:49:04

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Mr Asim MOLLAZADE

Azerbaijan, EC, Spokesperson for the group

18:49:17

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:52:52

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Ms Petra STIENEN

Netherlands, ALDE, Spokesperson for the group

18:53:08

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:56:34

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Ms Thorhildur Sunna ÆVARSDÓTTIR

Iceland, SOC

18:56:46

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

18:56:47

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

19:00:29

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Lord Donald ANDERSON

United Kingdom, SOC

19:00:37

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Mr Joseph O'REILLY

Ireland, EPP/CD, President of the Assembly

19:04:08

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Mr Valeriu GHILETCHI

Republic of Moldova, EPP/CD

19:04:20

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

19:07:56

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

19:10:47

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

19:13:49

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Ms Sirkka-Liisa ANTTILA

Finland, ALDE

19:13:56

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

19:16:48

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Mr Jaak MADISON

Estonia, EC

19:16:57

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Ms Rósa Björk BRYNJÓLFSDÓTTIR

Iceland, UEL, President of the Assembly

19:19:15